Hey Fellow Traders and collectors.
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For many of you seasoned collectors, I am preaching to the choir, however, I do know that many "NEW" collectors come to this site to gain knowledge and I want to take a moment to share a little on the misconceptions of these two terms.
Almost everyone uses the term SCRAPPER when something is not up to par, fake, not authorized, etc. Lets first define what a scrapper really is. When Disneyland issues a new pin and it is sent to China to be produced, lets say they order 50,000 of the given pin. During production, many things can happen. Dies can be off, colors can be off, amout of resin / glaze can be off and when a pin does not pass inspection to disneyland standards, the pin should be scrapped or thrown away.
Sometimes in order to make 50,000 pins, they may need to make 60 or 70,000 to get 50,000 good ones that will pass inspection. The problem is that the excess pins that did not pass rarely get thrown away as scrap, rather they are sold to people who sell them on ebay and other means to unsuspecting collectors. Now technically, these pins are not counterfeit. They are official disney pins but they are seconds, not up to par or scrap / scrappers. And in many cases, the pin manufacturer will continue to make these pins until one of the color dyes runs out. A great example is the Dalmation vinylmation that has no spots. The black dye ran out but they continued until the next color ran out. Thats why we have an all white (dalmation) vinylmation. (No Spots)
I have seen plenty of official disneyland pins on the shelves that the colors are very different yet they are official and real pins. From the 1st pin to the 50,000th pin, there will be differences and color variations are typically acceptable.
The real problem in addition to these sub par scrap pins is the counterfeit pins. I think many people call these pins scrappers incorrectly. I did a post about counterfeit Vinylmations and there is a big difference between scrappers and counterfeits. Of course, collectors want neither one but we should recognise the differences in terminology. A counterfeit pin does not come from a Disney Manufacturer in China, rather another manufacturer in China who copies the design.
A scrapper is exactly like the real pin, just not up to the disneyland standard. You hear a lot about borders, borders are on counterfeit pins, not scrappers. Again, I know most of you know this, but this is for the people who dont.
The next sad truth is that some new collectors think they can but real pins from E-bay for $1.00 - $1.15. And they all say, "Tradeable at all Disneyland locations".
The seller may even tell you that they personally traded every one of the pins thay have for sale with a cast member. (in most cases a bold outright lie) But this brings me to the next problem.
People buy pins on ebay that are not scrappers, they are counterfeit, they then trade them with cast members, and then people who paid good money for their pins trade with these cast members assuming that a cast member must have real pins. Personally, I think cast members should be more aware. Shame on them? Should they have to check every pin they trade for? I personally think YES! For the protection of the trading community they should be more strict.
I hear stories all the time that people think they got a scrapper or counterfeit from a cast lanyard and cant believe this has happened. I personally do not trade with cast members because of this. In my opinion, most of the time 50% of the pins on a lanyard are fake, scrappers or counterfeit. It is up to the collector to know what to look for. On the few occasions I do trade with a cast member if I see something good, I ask to see the pin and check it carefully. If I know it is not official, I tell the cast member and most of the time, they will not put it back on their lanyard.
The sad point is, just because you got it from a cast member does not mean it's real. I have seen countless Limited Editions on cast lanyards that are counterfeit, not scrappers, counterfeit. The Cars series, stars, vinylmations, and especially hidden mickeys. I have even seen hidden mickey pins out and on lanyards before they have even been realeased. Its a sad truth and dilutes out hobby.
When someone comes to my table at the park and pulls out a baggie full of pins in little baggies, I cringe. I try to explain to them nicely that do they really think they can buy 50 pins for $50.00 and get 15 LE's in the mix? Does this not sound "TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE" Then I will show them the "BOARDERS" that we all hear about. Or the fact that it says Pixar on the back and its not a Pixar characture. The sad part is, they will not complain or try to return them to the seller, rather they will just trade them with cast members, most of the time for other Counterfeit pins.
I have written this because I care and want people who dont know to have an understanding of what a scrapper Vs a counterfeit is and that they should educate themselves so they dont get taken advantage of. Once you know what to look for, its easy. If all of us cracked down and the cast members were required to check the pins, eventually, scrappers and counterfeits would almost go away. If the sellers of these pins dont have buyers, they will have to stop producing them.
I have posted the picture from the Vinylmation article I posted. I wrote a lot about it in the Vinylmation post but I am posting it here so you can see what a COUNTERFEIT is, not a scrapper. The ones with a border are not scrappers, they are COUNTERFEITS. You can use this for all pins with the new Disneyland background. Like money, they did this to help stop counterfeiting. In a nutshell, Disneyland pins are cut from continuous sheets with the mickey ears pattern on it. Counterfeirs are made in a mold, hence the bleed / border. A picture tells a thousand words (not that I havent already) so take a look and be carefull.
"""For the newbies, the center pin is official, left and right are counterfeits" (Notice all the differences besides just the border)
I am just tired of everyone using the term scrapper so loosely. Counterfiet more often than not is the correct term. Again, a scrapper is an official pin and is just not authorized for release from Disneyland due to the reasons mentioned above.
I know I wrote a book but I really do care and want to help newbies and seasoned veterans alike. I want to make a difference and so many people here have helped me here, I just want to give something back.