***SPOILERS*** The Last Jedi - First View Review

Discussion in 'Anything Goes' started by Tokaji, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. Tokaji

    Tokaji Pins and Needles

    Rating - 100%
    51   0   0

    I'll be the first to admit that I went into The Last Jedi with a modicum of dread. After the mess of The Force Awakens, I didn't want to get my hopes up for something better, even though all the reviews were pretty positive. So, here I am, sitting in the theater, munching on popcorn, and waiting for the scroll and the fanfare. They come, I get excited. Then we pan down onto a familiar scene: spaceships chasing other spaceships in empty space. It was gorgeous and thrilling, as I had expected it to be.

    From the first spoken words of the movie, however, I knew we were in trouble. General Hux, speaking to the bridge crew of his star destroyer: "We're going to finally destroy the rebel scum, just as Supreme Leader Snoke has ordered me to do." (This is a paraphrase, but it's pretty close.)

    ...

    This is your first line? The first spoken words in a movie that will try to carry the hopes and dreams of millions of fans around the world? Let me just say that these words perfectly set the tone for the movie, and perfectly bring me to my first problem with it: It was contrived as hell.

    Just about everything in the movie felt forced - or more specifically, it felt like I was watching someone play a poorly designed video game that had constant time gating and badly scripted fetch quests. The writers threw ridiculous and pointless hurdles in the way of our heroes over and over, and none of them had any impact on the plot or the overall story. They felt forced, unnatural, out of place, like time wasters. Now, this wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for my second qualm with the film:

    Nothing mattered. Really, I should say very little mattered, but by the end of the two-and-a-half-hour adventure, it felt like nothing mattered. Only three things changed by the end: Snoke, a character who had 5 minutes of screen time, died; Luke became one with the Force (this was actually a pretty cool thing, but I'll get to that later); a whole ton of nameless, faceless Rebels died. Oh, and the one Rebel general that we're introduced to, had 2 minutes of scene, and then gloriously sacrificed herself for the cause (about 100 hours too late). This really seems to define the movie for me: Introduce a character just so we can kill them off. They have so little impact on the film or the characters that they seem to be comprised more of empty space, and you know so little about them that you can't find it in your heart to give them more than a cursory "aww, she died," before promptly forgetting their names.

    The last thing that bothered me was that the script seemed to want to directly answer fan problems with The Force Awakens. Take, for instance, the first scene with Kylo Ren. He walks into Snoke's chamber, his helmet on, all ready to face his master, and the first thing Snoke says is "Take that ridiculous thing off." One he leaves the chamber he goes into Emo-Rage Mode and smashes his helmet into the elevator wall a thousand times. This kind of thing happened so often that I think they may have been literally pandering to the crowd. There were definitely times I felt that they had picked up on the Very Lonely Luke twitter account and incorporated him into the script.

    That all said, The Last Jedi had some things going for it, and it definitely stands a little further above The Force Awakens. Rey and Luke's interactions on the island felt real and were mostly interesting. The movie managed to do two things that were quite surprising and fulfilling that no movie has really done well before: describe the Force (without midichlorians, ugh), and show a bit more of the pull of the Dark Side and the insidious ways it theoretically works. The internal battles in both Rey and Ren kept the movie interesting and ultimately somewhat fulfilling. The one new character that I really enjoyed - and one of the few characters who actually developed and changed - was Rose, the mechanic. She was a glorious light in the murky sea of contrivance. Overall, it was a fairly fun and entertaining adventure/action flick, with a few little laughs (sometimes they tried too hard and ruined the jokes), and the porgs were awesome.

    Unfortunately, those few good things don't quite overcome the fact that this entire movie felt like a set piece, and not a real story. In the end, very little changes in the universe at all, and for all the action and talk of the 152 minutes, I can't give it much more than a "meh." Perhaps, as Leia so poignantly notes towards the end, "they've all lost hope." Perhaps, if you gave a reason to hope, showed us what to hope for, we wouldn't have lost it.
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2017
  2. jprincess

    jprincess Active Member

    Rating - 100%
    22   0   0

    Great review Tokaji! I enjoyed reading some of your points.

    Here is my review of the movie:

    I went into “The Last Jedi” excited for the next Star Wars movie. I left the movie disappointed and irritated the directors lacked storyline. One of the key things about any movie is a strong script and storyline. This movie lacked both.

    This movie continuously attempted forcing emotion with the audience. However killing off random characters with dramatic music simply does not do it.

    I found most of the movie to be pointless. The storyline jumped again and again. It was like Disney was like “Oh we have 10 main characters we should have the movie jump to each character’s story every 5 minutes”. While this is a bit of an exaggeration it’s not far from the truth. Whether it’s Rey on an island, the rebels, Kylo Ren, or the absolutely pointless rabbit chase of Finn/Rose it was a mess.

    I honestly think the island part of the movie with Rey and Luke was the best parts of the movie. It was for the most part simple but had some depth in comparison to the rest of the movie.

    I don’t understand the point of Kylo Ren basically turning into the next Darth Vader. It gets frustrating watching one character basically hunt down a group of 20 people for this way too long movie.

    Which brings me to my next point. This movie was super long. I knew the run time was. However it felt dragged out. There was probably 5 different points throughout the movie where they could’ve wrapped the story up. But no, of course not! Disney has to drag the storyline to the bitter end.

    I honestly think this could be possibly the worst Star Wars movie yet.

    Star Wars needs to go back to its root. A strong script with a strong storyline. The movie needs to focus more on relationships/depth of characters rather than a non stop action sequences.

    While the graphics are great. It gets old having one fight scene after another.

    There was also way too many moments of 1 character trying to be the hero by sacrificing the self. This happened how many times?! (Or at least attempted). Ridiculous. Rogue one sure Disney could pull the everyone sacrificing their lives for the future of others. But The Last Jedi was crippled by this concept.

    Anyways. I could rant and rant about how disappointed I am in this movie.

    I guess it was nice Disney attempted to make another strong Star Wars movie. However it simply was disappointing.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  3. starry_solo

    starry_solo Judge of the Dark Court Staff Member DPF Super Moderator

    Rating - 100%
    508   0   0

    I liked it, but I will admit, I wasn't expecting much. I don't expect a lot from Star Wars or Star Trek movies these days and no longer have high expectations for either franchise. As a movie, it was okay. As part of an epic movie, it was just eh.

    I'm just waiting for Rey to turn Kylo Ren back to the light and they live happily ever after. :)
     
    bookhugger likes this.
  4. xdattax

    xdattax Well-Known Member

    Rating - 100%
    56   0   0

    I just watched it this morning. My thoughts, in no particular order:

    I enjoyed it; I wish to own a porg.

    There was fan service and throw backs to the old movies. Blue milk and Yoda (puppet Yoda, not CGI!) trolling Luke like the pro he is. I know a lot of people didn’t like some of the humor but I enjoyed it.

    Poe is also a troll and he got Hux good; Hux is too full of himself to realize he was getting goofed on with what amounts to a yo mamma joke.

    I’m disappointed we didn’t get more Phasma, and I’m hoping the blaster bolt just bouncing off her armor means it can survive fire and she can come back later on. Maybe in a Admiral Norrington sort of way.

    I also fully expect force ghost Anakin to show up and slap Princess Kylo silly and tell him to quit his .

    It will also be Interesting how they handle the loss of Carrie Fisher. It was bold to leave her in the movie instead of letting her die along side Akbar. Perhaps she will die off screen between now and the next movie.

    Also, speaking of old Princess Kylo, anyone else get the feeling he was negging Rey on the “your parents were drunken junk traders,” bit? I’m not buying she’s just some rando.

    I expected more BB-9.

    Yoda can use Force Lightning. Cool.

    Anyone else think that somehow Rey and Ben are twins? I want it to be, but I don’t see how royalty would not have access to the best maternity care possible, not like in the good old days when the midwife said “hold on, we gotta another one up in here!”


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  5. starry_solo

    starry_solo Judge of the Dark Court Staff Member DPF Super Moderator

    Rating - 100%
    508   0   0

    I used to think that, like the old Timothy Zahn novels - whoever hasn't read them really should! - but I think they are trying to romanticize the Kylo Ren / Rey pairing
     
  6. Tokaji

    Tokaji Pins and Needles

    Rating - 100%
    51   0   0

    I still think they're siblings of some sort. At the very least cousins.
     
  7. tiggeriffic

    tiggeriffic DPF Charter Member DPF Charter Member

    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0

    I enjoyed it. I guess everyone has expectations of something so legendary and iconic as Star Wars and most can't be fulfilled. I'm looking forward to the next one. I will say that I find it sad that the happy ending of Return of the Jedi has been made pointless.
     
    starry_solo likes this.
  8. NutMeg

    NutMeg The Nefarious N.M.G.

    Rating - 100%
    9   0   0

    Sorry you guys (and many others it seems) didn't care for it. Personally I loved it. It may not have had a ton of momentum plot-wise, and I definitely think the run time should've been chopped down a bit, but it was very nuanced thematically and it covered a lot of ground in terms of character development, focusing on metaphysical internal conflict over external conflict. It was rather philosophical in nature and explored the Star Wars ethos in a really fresh and intriguing way. The actors all gave super impressive performances; they definitely did the heavy lifting of imparting the film's themes. I loved the way Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley played off each other, and this was definitely the best performance of Mark Hamill's career.

    I actually really loved the fact that, after all the hype surrounding Rey's identity, her parents turned out to be nameless nobodies. A major theme of SW has always been legacy, so the fact that Rey has no legacy to live up to, no predetermined narrative, and must be the sole author of her own destiny makes her a much more compelling character. Her story very much parallels Finn's - another "nobody," a child plucked from obscurity to become a faceless cog in a machine - and together they illustrate the new SW films' deconstruction of the typical "chosen one" narrative. This is complemented by the film's new info regarding the nature of the force - it's reliant on connection, particularly emotional connection. Rey didn't inherit her force sensitivity; it manifested from her loneliness and desire to connect, which made her a highly empathetic and sensitive person. (This also explains why, despite the fact that Kylo is superior in hand-to-hand combat and always has her up against the ropes in battle, she continually manages to best him in the end by more effectively harnessing the force, because Kylo is so emotionally closed-off.) This is echoed in the film's final shots of the stable boy, who appears to use the force to draw the broom to his hand... another isolated child searching the stars for belonging. There were many subtle moments such as this that encouraged analysis and interpretation. It's always nice to not be spoon-fed all the answers.

    I also really liked that the film touched upon the social ramifications of the war. SW has always focused primarily on the political/military elements of the conflict, as well as intimate stories of select individuals, so I appreciated getting a glimpse of the war's effect on civil rights and society at large. It's an aspect of SW I've always wanted to see explored in greater depth. I did think the scenes at the casino were a bit too long (especially since they ran alongside the fleet's stand-off with the First Order and the tension/jeopardy involved there.) But the bits demonstrating class disparity - the contrast of ostentatious luxury and frivolous spending against the poverty and exploitation of the vulnerable - were pretty fascinating, as were the brief mentions of war profiteers. The fact that they indiscriminately sell weapons to both sides (a philosophy of self-interest epitomized by Benicio del Toro's character) added some nuance to the film's ethics. Despite the Resistance's ostensibly humanitarian goals, they still engage in violence and warfare, which inevitably inflicts collateral damage. It's not quite as simple as good and evil, black and white - there are definite shades of gray, perhaps more overt here than in any other SW film. This is also observed in the characterization of Luke and his disavowal of the Jedi way, not because he was disillusioned by Kylo's much more blatant darkness (as initially suggested), but because he was horrified by the fleeting glimpse of darkness in his own heart, and racked with guilt over this being the final catalyst to Kylo's turning. Again, ripple effects and collateral damage.

    What else... I loved the underlying message that the force is not an internal power. It doesn't belong to the individual, but rather it's born of (and thrives on) the harmony between all living things. This seems to suggest that, should there ever truly be one "last" Jedi, there will in fact be NO Jedi at all, as their ability to harness the force is dependent upon their interconnection. This supports the theory that the boy at the end (and possibly others in the far reaches of the galaxy) is force sensitive, and Rey is not actually the last Jedi. The concept ties in well with the overarching theme of teamwork/unity and the value of each person's contribution. Again, this strays pretty far from what is typically expected from SW and its "chosen one" narratives. There is no singular hero who can save the galaxy. Everyone must work together.

    That said, I totally agree with the complaint that Snoke wasn't explored enough. I'm hoping there will be flashbacks to his initial corruption of Kylo in the third film, because I think that warrants more explanation; I think perhaps they're saving some of that for the culmination of Kylo's arc. (These definitely aren't stand-alone films and the filmmakers/studio obviously want a sweeping single narrative over the course of the trilogy.) I could be wrong though, in which case Snoke was for sure underdeveloped. I also wish we had seen more from Captain Phasma and her clearly contentious relationship with Finn. There was the hint of an interesting power dynamic there, and him killing her definitely would've been more cathartic if we knew more about their backstory and how she mistreated him (although it was still a pretty badass moment. I loved that slow motion, low angle shot. There was some really cool cinematography in this film.) I wish Laura Dern's character had been introduced in the previous film, even just briefly, so she didn't feel as tacked-on. However I was pretty much happy with her significance in the story. She served her purpose, which was showing Poe (and by extension the audience) the value of collaboration. He originally dismissed her plan and assumed that his own was superior, but eventually understands where she was coming from and sees the value in her input. Much like Luke's arc, it's about the destruction of the ego, which ties in well with the themes of empathy and teamwork.

    But yeah, it was definitely different from the usual SW fare and I can certainly see how it might not be everyone's cup of tea. This one is pretty existential and is more interested in ideas than plot, which will always be a less popular choice than traditional action/adventure. People have very specific hopes and expectations for SW films and there will always be some who are disappointed, no matter what. Plus art is just totally subjective in general. But I did love this, and TFA. I'm invested in these characters and enjoy watching their stories unfold. I think a lot of the hate these films receive is undeserved (especially the complaints about Rey being a Mary Sue and "forced diversity"), but again, it's subjective. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I do think this film will be looked upon more fondly with age, though. The prequels were actually well-received upon release and only garnered backlash over time; I think it will sort of be the reverse with the new trilogy.

    [Sorry this post is so long and tedious... I'm still in film student mode even over winter break, lol.]
     
    AshleyV likes this.
  9. CCofRR13

    CCofRR13 Well-Known Member

    Rating - 100%
    103   0   0

    Xdattax wrote: "I enjoyed it; I wish to own a porg.

    Also, speaking of old Princess Kylo, anyone else get the feeling he was negging Rey on the “your parents were drunken junk traders,” bit? I’m not buying she’s just some rando."


    I, too, want a porg. I also agree that there is more to Rey's parents other than common junk traders. I think that was Snoke's manipulation on both of their minds - he played them like puppets. My original thoughts were that Rey was Luke's daughter. He sent her away after Ben killed his wife and other Jedis.....not really a possibility now.

    Speaking of the other Jedi students - Luke said Ben took a few students with him and killed the others. Where are they? My oldest son knows the TV series and he thinks they may be the Knights of Ren?
     
  10. starry_solo

    starry_solo Judge of the Dark Court Staff Member DPF Super Moderator

    Rating - 100%
    508   0   0

    Agreed. Han and Leia aren't together anymore? And now he's dead? :p

    Loved the EU novels by Timothy Zahn
     
  11. Tokaji

    Tokaji Pins and Needles

    Rating - 100%
    51   0   0

    So, don't get me wrong - it was a decent flick. It was fun and adventurous and, as you point out, the metaphysical and philosophical aspects are quite interesting (as I noted before). However, a movie has to be able to rest on more than its ideas, don't you think?

    I, too, thought it was interesting that they tried (operative word here) to show the moral and personal costs of the war. But even that felt very tacked on, almost like a second thought rather than a main thread. That entire section of movie (casino sidequest) felt very extraneous to me. I feel that if they wanted to discuss the moral and personal implications of the war, etc, then they really should have made it a focus to put this story against, instead of having the main focus 2.5 hours of running away from star destroyers in empty space. That's not particularly interesting, in my opinion.

    My real problem with this movie, and The Force Awakens, is that the main story, the premise, the concept, just doesn't make sense and feels incredibly forced. Snoke is a perfect example of the contrivance of the plot. Where did he come from? Why is he there? Why should we, more importantly, care? He feels like a device, a cardboard cutout of a Sith Lord that was put in because they felt they needed a face and voice behind the supposed turning of Ren. But then we find out that, apparently, Snoke had no hand at all in turning Ren... So, WHY IS HE THERE? I feel this way about much of the new story. The First Order doesn't make much sense, and the rebels being in the same situation as they were 30 years ago (actually somehow in a worse situation, it seems), even though some majority of planets and civilizations in the galaxy have joined the Republic and they should have been hunting down the remnants of the Empire for 3 decades seems disjointed and ignorant of the series' past. And then there are little things (that aren't so little) like the ability to destroy entire fleets of ships with hyperspace jumps... Where did this come from and why, all of a sudden, is it possible? Why has no one developed a hyperspace missile weapon if it's possible? It's like they keep trying to one-up themselves and that makes for bad storytelling (Snoke, giant death star planet, ever-larger star destroyers, more dead faceless rebels, etc).

    Obviously, this is just my opinion. The answer I keep coming back to for many of these questions is money. Why not fill in these gaps in the movie? Why not tell complete stories? So that you can have tie-ins and a "new" extended universe to sell. And that's okay, I guess, but don't kill the movies at the expense of the almighty dollar. I did like aspects of it, and the character development is good. But when you have such a stark difference between the good and the bad in the movie, something's definitely wrong.


    Something about the Zahn novels just killed me. I got halfway through Heir to the Empire, and couldn't stop laughing at it, so I had to put it down.
     
  12. starry_solo

    starry_solo Judge of the Dark Court Staff Member DPF Super Moderator

    Rating - 100%
    508   0   0

    I bought them as hardcovers when they first came out and then the last two came out only in soft-covers/paperback. They still sit on my shelf, next to my GWTW and To Kill a Mockingbird. I had Pride and Prejudice somewhere there too, loaned it to my mom and now can't find it :p Reading those novels just brings me back to their time and it taking place 5 years after RotJ, I could still picture Han, Leia and Luke as they were in RotJ.
     
  13. Tokaji

    Tokaji Pins and Needles

    Rating - 100%
    51   0   0

    Yeah, I get that entirely. The actual EU that Zahn started, I really love. It's just the writing I can't deal with.
     
  14. starry_solo

    starry_solo Judge of the Dark Court Staff Member DPF Super Moderator

    Rating - 100%
    508   0   0

    When all was good in the world :) I'm in chat for another 5-10 minutes! :)
     
  15. tiggermickey

    tiggermickey DPF Correspondent DPF Correspondent

    Rating - 100%
    1591   0   0

    Only thing I did not like is the tribute to Carrie fisher ...yes she was definetly in the movie ,but just the writing at the end ,they could of added several of her scenes from the other movies ,all and all ,I am not a Star Wars fan ,but I liked this one a lot ,as my family and I are seeing it again tomorrow ,Mark hamil ,definetly did is best acting to date

    Judy
     
  16. tiggeriffic

    tiggeriffic DPF Charter Member DPF Charter Member

    Rating - 100%
    2   0   0

    Just for fun....The Last Jedi has a really fun homage to the silent film classic "Wings" (1927). This is the scene from "Wings":
     
  17. bookhugger

    bookhugger I love books!

    Rating - 100%
    7   0   0

    Like a Disney movie?
     
    starry_solo likes this.
  18. FoolishMortal71

    FoolishMortal71 Active Member

    Rating - 100%
    16   0   0

    I thought it was an overall solid film but a tad too long. Let's face it, Star Wars (and now throw Disney in the mix) are always going to stuff the movie with random new characters to sell more merch. Heck, those Praetorian guards are in the movie for what, 5 minutes, and they already got their own DHHS LE pins.

    They really needed to tighten the focus on Luke and Rey's training. That should have been a major part of the movie and they barely scratched the surface with a few short scenes. I also feel like they didn't satisfactorily answer enough of the mysteries that were brought up in The Force Awakens. I don't buy the "your parents were nobodies" story but I also think making Rey and Ben brother and sister would have been copying the original trilogy a little too much.

    I enjoyed Rose but that whole subplot about war profiteering and the cheesey ending with the horse racing caretaker kids could have been cut. And I didn't like how they're making her a love interest for Finn. We all know Finn and Poe got some bromance thing going. Although that could set up an interesting Finn/Rey/Poe/Rose love triangle. ;)

    I also found the part with Leia using the Force to fly back to the ship a little hokey. And, honestly, after Carrie Fisher passed away, it would have been an easy way to write her out of the story. Her family gave them permission to CGI her image into the third film but they have said they don't want to do that. So, what, we just pretend she's no longer there in the next movie? It would have made sense to re-edit the film to have that be her final scene but again, it felt like they kept her in to force the nostalgia at the end of a final scene with her and Luke and the mentions of Han with the dice. But, gosh, seeing Carrie Fisher made me all misty eyed because she was a talented actor and writer and that character is just so iconic.

    I enjoyed the humor in some places. And I did find the Rey/Kylo connection parts interesting but they needed to do more. A few of the plot twists did surprise me so there were still moments of AH-HA. And, I'm sorry, but I'll still always be excited for those space battles and glorious ships and John Williams score. Hopefully they can really make all this come together in third film. And let's cross our fingers for no Ewoks or Jar Jar Binks.
     
  19. FoolishMortal71

    FoolishMortal71 Active Member

    Rating - 100%
    16   0   0

  20. pretty Omi

    pretty Omi Resident Smol Wolf

    Rating - 100%
    18   0   0

    Ok, here's my thoughts:

    Firstly: NOT ENOUGH PORGS. No, really. They felt super minimal for how hyped up they were! Also, why are we ignoring Chewie so much now? He barely got any screen time to do much of anything. I really wanted to see more Chewie and his new pet (the one he didn't eat).

    I didn't like Rose. At all. She felt really useless and pointless. As did the entire Casino scene. I feel like that whole scene was only made up, so they could show the little boy at the end, with possible Force powers, and the Resistance ring. Her love for Finn felt so fake and fan fictiony. Also I was actually really kinda mad she saved Finn? I thought if he had done that and sacrificed himself, it would have been really poignant, and also, am I wrong in assuming he's how the First Order is tracking them in the first place? I got what Rose was trying to say by saving him.... but it was all so cheesy and forced and I didn't like it all.

    Didn't care about Benecio Del Toro's character. Why did he need that odd lisp?

    Was anyone else disappointed we didn't get pod racers at the casino? That was the only cool part of Episode 1, and that would have been an appropriate place to stick that! But no, we got giant cat horses, and an added animal cruelty message thrown in on top of all the other messages.

    I loved Poe, he's one of my favorite new characters, and even I was sitting there kinda wanting to smack him, for being so bull headed, but I was glad to see him learn a valuable lesson.

    Loved Leia getting to be a royal badass one more time. I admittedly felt her force pulling herself back to the ship was a little hokey, but ok. I was glad she didn't die, because despite the trailers, I actually figured that was just trailer bait, and that Kylo Ren would not kill his mom. But yeah, what now? They said she won't be in the last film, and if they just add it to the next title crawl "Princess Leia has died" that really just sorta cheapens the whole thing?

    I really liked the dynamic between Rey and Ben. I LOVED their lightsaber battle together, and was actually pretty bummed out that he stayed evil, I'd have loved to see him turn good and fight alongside her.

    The Snoke thing. Unless he somehow like... comes back together, or my bf has a theory that he was Darth Plagueis or Emporer Palpatine, because there's something about them being so powerful that they can be killed, and come back in another form?? If this isn't the case, then Snoke was SO stupid and really just a waste of plot device and screen time. Admittedly, tho, I was pretty satisfied when Ben pulled off how he killed him.

    I thought the Praetorian guards were really pretty cool! We wondered if those weren't possibly the students Ben brought back with him. They were definitely very skilled. I thought they were cooler than I expected, and at least they had a big cool fight scene. Cooler than the Death Troopers of Rogue One.

    I was also actually really let down about Captain Phasma again! She was such a nothing character in Force Awakens, she has so little screen time, everyone makes her out to be this really amazing cool strong female character, and we honestly see none of that in TWO movies. They teased that she'd be a bigger part in this film, and she wasn't. They didn't explain how she survived Star Killerbase going down (it was explained in some comic as I understand it?), and I really wasn't even rooting for Finn to kill her. We know nothing about her. And now is she dead, or will she magically come back again?

    I do think Rey's parents are nobody's. I think that would be really smart, and kinda a big joke to how everyone hyped up that she'd be either Luke's or Leia's daughter that they separated intentionally. Because exactly as everyone else pointed out, the Jedi have been about this big Skywalker legacy. Rey would be proof that you don't have to be a Skywalker, that a Jedi comes from anywhere. This would be further backed up by that stable boy too.

    (I'm also not sure if I'm on team yes Rey/Ben romance, or not yet.... I think I'm leaning towards yes.... also I agree with someone else, Finn and Poe's Bromance all the way haha)

    So yeah. It was very different from the other films. I still really enjoyed it, a lot.
    Needs more porg.
     
  21. starry_solo

    starry_solo Judge of the Dark Court Staff Member DPF Super Moderator

    Rating - 100%
    508   0   0

  22. FoolishMortal71

    FoolishMortal71 Active Member

    Rating - 100%
    16   0   0

    "Am I wrong in assuming he's how the First Order is tracking them in the first place?" OMG YES! THIS! Me too!

    I agree with several of your points as well.

     
  23. starry_solo

    starry_solo Judge of the Dark Court Staff Member DPF Super Moderator

    Rating - 100%
    508   0   0

    I wouldn't be surprised.
     
  24. FoolishMortal71

    FoolishMortal71 Active Member

    Rating - 100%
    16   0   0

Share This Page