Pin trading is dead for us in the UK :(

[Damiens pins]

I have found that in the UK our pins have gone down hill I used to be able to do trades very easy with the UK pins not any more unless I have soda fountain pins then people are intrestead in trading there not worth as much as they once where I have the rapunzel UK pin which is le 500 and is a good trader which would of been a good trader last year! But not any more it seems that the USA traders seem to undervalue our pins I've been offerd open edition pins for my UK pins! I even get refused trades for poh pins even through our UK pins are a lower edition then what the poh pins are it seems to me that pin trading from UK to any where else is dying out which is so sad for us here in the UK is there any one else that feels the same as me in the UK :down:

 

[fuzzybunny]

I don't live near the parks and am in the USA and still can't trade for same reason don't have the "newest Pins" out there or what someone wants so know your pain

 

[a4matte]

Unfortunately this happens with any hobby. Trends come and go. Right now the Soda Fountain pins are hot for a lot of people. They also seem to be focusing on the popular categories as it is so of course people will want those pins.

You guys still get a TON more pins than those of us who don't live near the parks or Hollywood do.

 

[Romancing_Train]

No offense to you meant, but I don't think it's Ness early the pins.

Even being a tangled pin and le 500 you only asked in your thread for extremely rare or expensive pins. Most of them a much lower le size then the rapunzel and much older.

Most UK pins end up appreciating like crazy, but it seems more that some of them are odd balls. The le 1000 frozen pin people thought was worth the dsf le 300s. Had it been a lower edition more people would've been more inclined to trade.

Also the rapunzel pin is the same pose and people get tired of it, 5 years of releases of the same pin people may not want it more then they may want a fresh posed pin.

 

[Damiens pins]

No offense to you meant, but I don't think it's Ness early the pins.

Even being a tangled pin and le 500 you only asked in your thread for extremely rare or expensive pins. Most of them a much lower le size then the rapunzel and much older.

Most UK pins end up appreciating like crazy, but it seems more that some of them are odd balls. The le 1000 frozen pin people thought was worth the dsf le 300s. Had it been a lower edition more people would've been more inclined to trade.

Also the rapunzel pin is the same pose and people get tired of it, 5 years of releases of the same pin people may not want it more then they may want a fresh posed pin.

I did did say I would be willing to trade multiple pins for the pins I was looking for and if that tangled pin was a soda fountain pin then it wouldn't of mattererd if it was the same pose! If it doesn't have sodafountain written on it then people don't want it

 

[docfish2u]

You just have to find the right trader. If you are looking for poh pins lmk what you are looking for. I would love to trade with you.

 

[Romancing_Train]

I did did say I would be willing to trade multiple pins for the pins I was looking for and if that tangled pin was a soda fountain pin then it wouldn't of mattererd if it was the same pose! If it doesn't have sodafountain written on it then people don't want it

I understand that but it's still extremely miss leading in a way. I know personally I had a few patf pins I thought you might like but didn't even bother to offer when I saw the specifics of your thread you know?

 

[Loomi]

I have not had a huge amount of trouble. I think it all depends on the pin and what you are asking for in return :- ) I would still consider myself quite a "new" trader but my pins have been fairly well received. I lurk and very slowly and carefully choose trades though so this may have helped me ha ha.

I agree that trends come and go though and DSF pins are very popular. But when we get EU pins, the diehard collectors of that character or movie will jump for it. Some are better than others. For example the Villains LE pins jumped out of my hands as soon as they arrived! XD

And - as an end note - there will ALWAYS be someone who will offer OE's for LE's in the hope that out of sheer luck they get a trade! Don't take it personally I have had a lot of weird offers on my designer couple pin but I don't take it to heart.

 

[tiggeriffic]

UK pins are expensive on eBay, there must be some demand for them. If it's a character/movie/theme that I collect I will be after that pin.

 

[twintraders]

I think it just depends on the pin and where you're trading, have you tried trading it anywhere besides here?

 

[this_and_that]

No offense to you meant, but I don't think it's Ness early the pins.

Even being a tangled pin and le 500 you only asked in your thread for extremely rare or expensive pins. Most of them a much lower le size then the rapunzel and much older.

Most UK pins end up appreciating like crazy, but it seems more that some of them are odd balls. The le 1000 frozen pin people thought was worth the dsf le 300s. Had it been a lower edition more people would've been more inclined to trade.

. . .

+1.

Also I think the Frozen crazy-ness has considerably dampened the pre-Frozen Tangled crazy-ness.

 

[this_and_that]

. . . If it doesn't have sodafountain written on it then people don't want it

I believe it is a combination of the lower edition size and the greatly increased postage rates.

 

[Ammonite]

I've not had any trouble trading my extr DSUK/Europe pins with people overseas myself, obviously you have to be fair in what you ask for in return but I have traded for some lovely pins from my wants list over the past couple of months I think you just need to find the right person to trade with as I also get rather unfair trade requests on PinPics quite regularly!
Good luck trading in the future Damien

 

[pupuce]

same with dlp pin's US traders tends to undervalue our pin's. But since november we started to fight back. LOL we don't let go our pin's for " nothing" anymore. At least some I know do that now.

 

[GreyWyvern]

I did did say I would be willing to trade multiple pins for the pins I was looking for and if that tangled pin was a soda fountain pin then it wouldn't of mattererd if it was the same pose! If it doesn't have sodafountain written on it then people don't want it

DSF pins are a big target for speculators right now, that's the only reason. They're one of the few series of pins that are available in just one physical place, and that alone makes them artificially higher in value. Relative to the number of pins produced, fewer of them are ending up in collections, and more of them are ending up on eBay, or being acquired specifically to trade up for valuable older pins.

This sucks if you're collecting something that DSF is releasing, but if you can manage to stay away from all the hoopla, there are still traders out there with pins from other sources. I thank my lucky stars every day that DSF doesn't know who Figment is

Also I think the Frozen crazy-ness has considerably dampened the pre-Frozen Tangled crazy-ness.

I actually can't wait for the next big princess movie to come along to deflate the Frozen bubble!

 

[Damiens pins]

DSF pins are a big target for speculators right now, that's the only reason. They're one of the few series of pins that are available in just one physical place, and that alone makes them artificially higher in value. Relative to the number of pins produced, fewer of them are ending up in collections, and more of them are ending up on eBay, or being acquired specifically to trade up for valuable older pins.

This sucks if you're collecting something that DSF is releasing, but if you can manage to stay away from all the hoopla, there are still traders out there with pins from other sources. I thank my lucky stars every day that DSF doesn't know who Figment is



I actually can't wait for the next big princess movie to come along to deflate the Frozen bubble!

I totally agree with you greywyvern! But you amigine if they did figment pins they would be fantastic!

 

[meggiebeth]

Why are EU pins so undervalued then? I bet if they were released on the US disney store site they'd be more valuable!!

 

[this_and_that]

Why are EU pins so undervalued then? I bet if they were released on the US disney store site they'd be more valuable!!

I do not believe that it is a question of under-valueing the UK DS pins, but rather the difference in edition sizes.

It's going be hard to trade a LE 500 or a LE 1000 straight across for a lower LE with way better trade:wants rations regardless of the characters involved, even when the original cost is about the same.

 

[meggiebeth]

I do not believe that it is a question of under-valueing the UK DS pins, but rather the difference in edition sizes.

It's going be hard to trade a LE 500 or a LE 1000 straight across for a lower LE with way better trade:wants rations regardless of the characters involved, even when the original cost is about the same.

I see what you mean, our Frozen LE 1000 pin probably can't compete with a Frozen LE 200 pin in the US. So if there was a UK Frozen pin with a really low edition size, you think the prices would be comparable?

 

[this_and_that]

I see what you mean, our Frozen LE 1000 pin probably can't compete with a Frozen LE 200 pin in the US. So if there was a UK Frozen pin with a really low edition size, you think the prices would be comparable?

It has seemed to me that many believe that any Frozen pin is imediately worth an outlandish anount of money even if its an OE. So for these folks, the character may matter more than the edition size, and they would be inclined to trade Frozen for Frozen with little regard to any differences in edition in size.

 

[Romancing_Train]

I see what you mean, our Frozen LE 1000 pin probably can't compete with a Frozen LE 200 pin in the US. So if there was a UK Frozen pin with a really low edition size, you think the prices would be comparable?

Most definitely.

I think some in the uk are pretty jaded right now (with every right to be) because when they finally get a nice pin or a nice set the best part of it is ripped from it by the edition size.

The problem is they're either too low or too high.



The le 1000 Frozen pin probably would've done great at 250 or 300. Probably also had it been a pin with a pose we've never seen before (Like the paris let it snow event was all new poses or neat things to make them different) it would've traded like crazy for you guys.

The pin market is a crazy fickle thing. Many people like to follow what's hot while others stay with what they like.

At the end of the day it all depends on the trader and the tradee making it work for each other until both are happy.

 

[KTM]

This thread has been so interesting to read!

I understand what Damien's saying, although I wouldn't say that pin trading is dead for us in the UK. It's not dead, but it's certainly a little trickier. It has become a little difficult to keep in the 'trading rush' with all the PTD flips and surprise pin releases and all the rest of it. We don't seem to get the same frequency of frenzy-inducing releases, but I have actually heard/seen a lot of US pinners complimenting the quality of the DSUK and DLRP pins over the US ones at times. I've also had some great trades for some of the UK releases: Frozen, BatB and the recent Tangled pin. So, I don't think it's necessarily the pins that are the issue, I think it's just as a few others have said; you have to find the right person to get the right offer.

I actually think this_and_that, touched on a bigger issue for us - in my opinion, anyway - which is the postage rates. Tracked and signed rates for international trades are painful at the moment at £8.80-£9.75 ($13.33/$14.77). I try to make multi-pin international trades so that I can balance out the cost. Some of the US traders I've dealt with previously have slowed or stopped their international trading because of the cost of shipping. I've found postage more of a barrier recently than the pins themselves!

I find that it can also be tricky if you collect something totally outside of the popular themes because the majority of traders are picking up mainly Frozen and Tangled and DA Stitch and DSF pins/PTDs to secure trades because they know it'll be easier to get their wants with those. You can't fault them for that, that's just the way it goes. However, it does make it a little trickier for us outside of the US that collect something like Valentine's Day Mickey and Minnie (insert violins for me here :lol because no one really has the lovely older pins that are top of my wants in their books. I also don't have fast access to DSF pins (i.e. I can't pop out to CA and grab a PTD) to tempt them to find it.

So, I wouldn't say that it's quite dead yet, but it definitely can be tricky at times. Hang in there Damien. Maybe you could try other trading avenues as well as here, if you haven't already. If I ever happen to have anything you're interested in just let me know, and if I happen to come across any of your wants I'll be sure to message you.

 

[Clara9271]

A lot of the times, people in the US don't trade overseas because of the postage. For me personally, IDK if I want to trade anywhere internationally anymore because I recently had a bad experience. If the trade is worth it, I'll consider it. I think a lot of US traders can relate.

 

[sweetalissum]

...I actually think this_and_that, touched on a bigger issue for us - in my opinion, anyway - which is the postage rates. Tracked and signed rates for international trades are painful at the moment at £8.80-£9.75 ($13.33/$14.77). I try to make multi-pin international trades so that I can balance out the cost. Some of the US traders I've dealt with previously have slowed or stopped their international trading because of the cost of shipping. I've found postage more of a barrier recently than the pins themselves!

...However, it does make it a little trickier for us outside of the US that collect something like Valentine's Day Mickey and Minnie (insert violins for me here :lol because no one really has the lovely older pins that are top of my wants in their books.

The price of postage, and the inability to reliably track the package makes international trading a tricky issue for me. I've had a lot of bad luck with UK postage just sending items to my friends who live in England.

On a side note, KTM, I hope you've seen the amazingly lovely new Valentines pins coming from Tokyo Disney!

 

[OlafOlaf]

Why are EU pins so undervalued then? I bet if they were released on the US disney store site they'd be more valuable!!

Also has to do with the fact that EU automatically value their pins higher than US because they have to pay more at retail for them.

To be honest, I understand the whole "they get devalued". This happens more on Facebook than anywhere else, though, so I also understand why some forum members don't see it happening. I think both sides are to blame; on one side you have EU who are finally getting some good traders and (just like US, Asia, etc...) want to find their grails. So some will make ridiculous trade offers (e.g. a LE1000 Frozen for a designer couple). On the other side you have US who either don't want to trade with EU because "they had bad experiences" or because "shipping is too much" (which honestly is the case for both sides). And on that same side you do have people that deliberately devalue EU pins. I've seen it and I've experienced it.

Some internationals also forget that a lot of EU pins can't be accessed to without buying yourself into a park. We only have DS EU for that matter, and let's be honest, DS EU doesn't have the best releases (a LE100 Frozen? A Christmas Mickey? They're charming, don't get me wrong, but not good traders compared to Frozen WDI, BH6 DSF, BT, etc). To get the better traders we'll have to get them from DLRP, because those are seemingly popular. But to get DLRP releases you have to pay up. A lot. And that's why EU are kind of tired of their pins getting devalued. Because, honestly (and again, this happens more on Facebook than somewhere else), many US traders look down upon EU. Why? No idea.

Also, the split releases don't help. It would be a much better situation if DS EU and DS US would get split releases in the same week. Example, BH6 set. The set was popular in US because of the low edition. It was a hype, BH6 was new, it's a great movie, etc... The set was going for $200-300. A few months later, it's EU's time. Turns out there's a larger edition size, the hype has slowed, EU are happy with this release so they start offering the set for lower than $200, say $150. Which slowly lowers the value. By the time this set releases, Facebook, Ebay and other media will be overflown with EU that want to undercut each other. There'll be too much of this set all around.

That leads me to the undercutting. It's not only happening in US with the PTD and the BT, it's also happening in EU because some people want to make a quick buck, so the lower their price a few €/$ compared to another seller. That doesn't help either.

In short, both sides are to blame (if you do want to blame, that is).