A Question about Counterfeit pins
Coriander M
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Thank you very much. Im looking at a pin set from 2006 and i was looking at different pictures trying to train myself on finding counterfeits and was wondering what dates i needed to start looking at that for.The Mickey waffle started about mid-2009. Prior to that pins has either a pebble back, a standard waffle with horizontal and vertical lines, making it reminiscent of the breakfast food, or completely smooth. Most park pins after official pin trading started were pebble, but not exclusively. Standard waffle were common in the 90s and non-park pins.
I am writing this from the parking lot at Saratoga Springs at WDW, so this is going from memory. I can write more after the holidays when I get back home. There used to be a website called Dizpins.com. You can use the Internet Archive to get to their old news updates, there was a post showing off which specific pin first appeared with the Mickey Waffle. But I don't remember the specifics.
Thank you very much. Im looking at a pin set from 2006 and i was looking at different pictures trying to train myself on finding counterfeits and was wondering what dates i needed to start looking at that for.
Would there be any other resources for learning about things like this? Pin books or the like? I really appreciate all the info ivr found on this forum anf the like but a lot of it feels scattered about.
Oh Pinpics changed owners at some point?Hopemax (as usual) is correct - Dizpins was the ultimate best pin resource but sadly there is nothing comparable since it was closed and PinPics was sold to different owners.
PinPics used to be a crowd-sourced, updated literally hourly amazing site that was kept constantly updated and reviewed by everyone in the community for inaccuracies. Sadly, once it was sold several years ago, it was privatized by new owners who alienated many of the former regular contributors (myself included) when they tried to monetize the site to make money from the information and photos that the community had contributed over the years. My observation is that the majority of those monetization efforts, aside from their sales of expensive Acme pins they produce/license, did not last long, but instead just turned many former regulars away from using the site. (I always kept my own database records separate from PinPics anyway but that only served my collecting theme.)Oh Pinpics changed owners at some point?
Is that why the coding on the website is all wonky?
PinPics used to be a crowd-sourced, updated literally hourly amazing site that was kept constantly updated and reviewed by everyone in the community for inaccuracies. Sadly, once it was sold several years ago, it was privatized by new owners who alienated many of the former regular contributors (myself included) when they tried to monetize the site to make money from the information and photos that the community had contributed over the years. My observation is that the majority of those monetization efforts, aside from their sales of expensive Acme pins they produce/license, did not last long, but instead just turned many former regulars away from using the site. (I always kept my own database records separate from PinPics anyway but that only served my collecting theme.)
Since that loss of so many major regular contributors because we did not want the new owners profiting from our contributions so we stopped providing daily info, photos and corrections to misinformation - and because they wanted to control the information now put on the site, the site is a pale, belatedly and only partially updated shadow of its former self. It is filled with misinformation, duplicate listings and lacks many released pins in existence and is only updated as their staff can manage.
It's many years too late to fix and restore it to the former comprehensive site it was and the new owners sued someone who attempted to create a rival database, though one other smaller database was allowed to continue its existence and you'll see it occasionally promoted here.
But frankly it's just too late at this point to have one comprehensive source anymore. The community, history and knowledge is all fragmented and many of the old timers have long since left the hobby (or more sadly, passed away), taking their info and pins with them.
Only a handful of us who've been around for almost 20 years of the hobby are still around but while some, like hopemax, have a great sense of and memory for the broader picture, others like myself who always specialized in one theme and never wavered can only add bits and pieces to the history to keep it alive as best we can as new generations of collectors come and go, while those last few of us still in it for the long haul hang on as best we can.
Thank you all
Do you think it would be feasible to crowdsource enough correct information to make a well-sourced Disney pin book? Not for sale obviously, but something that could house a broader selection of information about the changes of pins through the years. What I've found most frustrating as a somewhat newcomer to the pin trade scene is the lack of one main hub of information. All the information is there, but it's expansive and hard to filter through to find what you need.
Oh Pinpics changed owners at some point?
Is that why the coding on the website is all wonky?
PinPics used to be a crowd-sourced, updated literally hourly amazing site that was kept constantly updated and reviewed by everyone in the community for inaccuracies. Sadly, once it was sold several years ago, it was privatized by new owners who alienated many of the former regular contributors (myself included) when they tried to monetize the site to make money from the information and photos that the community had contributed over the years. My observation is that the majority of those monetization efforts, aside from their sales of expensive Acme pins they produce/license, did not last long, but instead just turned many former regulars away from using the site. (I always kept my own database records separate from PinPics anyway but that only served my collecting theme.)
Since that loss of so many major regular contributors because we did not want the new owners profiting from our contributions so we stopped providing daily info, photos and corrections to misinformation - and because they wanted to control the information now put on the site, the site is a pale, belatedly and only partially updated shadow of its former self. It is filled with misinformation, duplicate listings and lacks many released pins in existence and is only updated as their staff can manage.
It's many years too late to fix and restore it to the former comprehensive site it was and the new owners sued someone who attempted to create a rival database, though one other smaller database was allowed to continue its existence and you'll see it occasionally promoted here.
But frankly it's just too late at this point to have one comprehensive source anymore. The community, history and knowledge is all fragmented and many of the old timers have long since left the hobby (or more sadly, passed away), taking their info and pins with them.
Only a handful of us who've been around for almost 20 years of the hobby are still around but while some, like hopemax, have a great sense of and memory for the broader picture, others like myself who always specialized in one theme and never wavered can only add bits and pieces to the history to keep it alive as best we can as new generations of collectors come and go, while those last few of us still in it for the long haul hang on as best we can.
Since the PinPics fiasco I've been working on something. However I am not a programmer so it has been slow going. And it will never be a Trading site. Just inventories and documentation because that's as far as my knowledge will go right now. I had a goal to have all the backend stuff finished in 2017 (my alternative is for more than just pin merchandise. The pin stuff is pretty solid.) but I didn't make it. So it's not online anywhere, but in the process of planning to do something I have a lot of files saved on my computer for when it comes time to start really adding all the info.
But my memories only go so far, so there will probably be a lot of good info missing. It worries me when I see so many people freak out about pin facts that were so well known "back in the day." Like backs before Mickey waffles or the different types of pin processes like soft enamel or domed enamel. Every one thinks fake not old. But it may be too late as far as all the education for old stuff. People are just going to believe what sounds good to them.
Off to Epcot now.
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