Pin Pics Trade Assistant Etiquette

[njpaulc]

I have taken to using the Pin Pics Trade Assistant to attempt trades. As most of you have experienced, the response is awful. I always respond even when I am not interested. Two situations have come up and I need to know if I am doing something wrong. The trade assistant matches "pin wants" and "pin trades", it has no concept of pin value. When I first started using the TA, I didn't realise this, but I have since become more concious when making trade requests. I use the trades vs wants ratio to determine value. I made a trade request with a resonable ratio match, 2.73 vs 2.45 and the person I was attempting to trade with came back with a counter trade suggesting I send them a pin with a ratio of either .33, .4, .4, or .11 (the lower the trade ratio number the more valuable the pin). I responded that the pins requested were far more valuable than the pin offered, and I would be willing to do the original trade or a multi pin trade. I got no response. The second situation I received a trade requst from the TA for a pin with a ratio of .21 for either a pin with a 1.94 or a 1.05. I responded that my pin was more valuable, if they were interested in doing a multi pin trade I was willing, and as a starting point I would consider both pins offered as an even trade for my pin. I ended with "please respond either way". So far I have not received a response.

Is this how you're supposed to trade? If not, than how?

Sorry for the long post.

 

[starry_solo]

There is no right or wrong way to trade. Some people trade based on:
1. trade/wants ratios;
2. what they like;
3. ebay values;
4. original values.

 

[this_and_that]

There is no right or wrong way to trade. Some people trade based on:
1. trade/wants ratios;
2. what they like;
3. ebay values;
4. original values.

5. Edition Size;
6. Original packaging;
7. Relative flawlessness, or lack thereof;
8. Original ownership;
9. Which Disney unit released the pin, such as Disney Auctions;
10. Size of the pin.

 

[Propita]

Unfortunately for me (or fortunately, in a way), my “wants” list is pretty low, BUT...most are kinda rare and/or kinda expensive.

I wish there was a way to say, “Hey, I know what I’m offering you isn’t as “good,” but if you would look at my trades, maybe you can find something(s) I can include to even things up?” I have no problem with me trading 3 or 4 for their 1. Even more for the rare/expensive ones. I could see forking over quite a few/lot pins for the really rare/expensive wants.

So if you have anything on my wants list...look at ALL my pins, I’d be willing to include many not technically on my trades list. Well, not BT, Club 33, or Boo, but I’d consider many of the others.

 

[starry_solo]

Unfortunately for me (or fortunately, in a way), my “wants” list is pretty low, BUT...most are kinda rare and/or kinda expensive.

I wish there was a way to say, “Hey, I know what I’m offering you isn’t as “good,” but if you would look at my trades, maybe you can find something(s) I can include to even things up?” I have no problem with me trading 3 or 4 for their 1. Even more for the rare/expensive ones. I could see forking over quite a few/lot pins for the really rare/expensive wants.

So if you have anything on my wants list...look at ALL my pins, I’d be willing to include many not technically on my trades list. Well, not BT, Club 33, or Boo, but I’d consider many of the others.

There used to be a place to say that in the old TA, but the new one, nope

 

[starry_solo]

5. Edition Size;
6. Original packaging;
7. Relative flawlessness, or lack thereof;
8. Original ownership;
9. Which Disney unit released the pin, such as Disney Auctions;
10. Size of the pin.

Thanks Nan! I knew I was forgetting things but I had to rush out to go grocery shopping

 

[docfish2u]

There used to be a place to say that in the old TA, but the new one, nope

one more reason the new pinpics sucks.

 

[LuvSimba]

And their messaging system sucks...I mean it just plain sucks. You can highlight the original TA text received and it will show up in the reply, but that's as far as it goes. If you continue the trade/conversation, you have to cut and paste everything. If not, then you have to dig around in all the folders to figure out who your trading with and what. If you have several trades going on, look out. UGH, biggest PITA in the world...if we can say PITA!!! Beyond frustrating. I'm almost at the end of my rope with pp (not that I wasn't before...but that's a long story). Besides their site being horrible to navigate, slowwwwwww to load, wrong pages loading or throwing you back to a page you don't want to be on, the messaging service is horrid...if it's even working properly.

 

[njpaulc]

I am not concerned with pin valuation, but rather with trade methodology and etiquette.

 

[Ninpin]

There used to be a place to say that in the old TA, but the new one, nope

That was the very first thing I noticed when I went to make my first trade offer on PP... "Where can I say that I'm offering multiples for this one pin? The only offers they let me make look ridiculous!" I sent regular messages to the person/people who had the pin that I wanted, explaining the situation, but I'm not sure if that alerts them to a "Trade Offer" or not, so they might not even see it?

 

[Propita]

Exactly!

and I hope using "PITA" is okay...it's my user name! PROfessional Pain In The ***.

 

[Spectromen]

I think one of the main issues is that people don't check their requests daily, since it doesn't email you when you get one.
I have a feeling I've filled some trader's in boxes and they haven't even seen the requests weeks later.

 

[starry_solo]

I am not concerned with pin valuation, but rather with trade methodology and etiquette.

That's part of the trade methodology (valuation)

 

[njpaulc]

If I offer you a Hidden Mickey for a LE, you'll pm me back and say "No, they're not equal value". I should respond with either "OK what is equal value?", or "I think they are equal value because....", or "OK thanks for the quick response". I get the feeling, that by offering a counter trade, I'm being insulting.

 

[starry_solo]

If I offer you a Hidden Mickey for a LE, you'll pm me back and say "No, they're not equal value". I should respond with either "OK what is equal value?", or "I think they are equal value because....", or "OK thanks for the quick response". I get the feeling, that by offering a counter trade, I'm being insulting.

Most people (unfortunately) do not PM people back

The new system doesn't allow notes for you to put "willing to trade multiple pins." It also doesn't allow you to PM people directly through their user name. Just try to offer LE for LE, similar LE sizes and it may open up a conversation