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For Christians, is pin trading/collecting a sin?

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For Christians, is pin trading/collecting a sin?

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This may be a touchy subject for some; please remember to be respectful towards one another!

I was raised Roman Catholic and although I Practice a more private spirituality now, I still remember a lot of the things I was taught through the church. One of them is 'Thou shalt not Covet.' Don't we, as pin traders, all covet pins? Perhaps not every single pin we want, but Grails for instance? Or our collection as a whole? I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this, but please, again, be respectful. Rudeness is not necessary, and personal attacks will not be tolerated!
 
I would say no.

When I think of "covet" I think of one being so obsessed with obtaining something they will do anything to obtain it by any means necessary, in fact, consume one's thoughts all the time with obtaining said object. I also, would never go to extremes to obtain them. If they come along, great, if not, they will in time.

My grails are SUPER DUPER wants, but I don't obsess and think of them all the time. Maybe some people do! But not me. :o) Just my two cents.
 
I think it's part of a larger struggle that all Christians have about the concept of ownership and spending on personal luxuries vs. self-sacrificial giving to others. We can always ask ourselves that about anything, not just pins: do I really need that book, or that pin, or that trip to Disneyland, or whatever.

At first, it took a lot of coaxing to get me to take a trip to Disneyland at all, because I felt guilty about spending so much money on own pleasures. Now I'm better with it, but every now and then it twinges at me. As my income has grown, my charitable giving has as well, so while I can't say I'm giving self-sacrificially I don't feel as bad about spending a bit on a pin knowing that I am also spending quite a bit more on helping others. Am I buying off my conscience? I can't say for sure. However, if you go down the rabbit hole of "am I doing enough?" you won't get out easily because the answer is "no." We can never do "enough," which is why we must rely on God's grace. Martin Luther once said that the phrase "am I doing enough?" was Satan whispering in your ear that you can (and must) save yourself by your own efforts without relying on God.

What I do think, from a theological perspective, is that the issue isn't necessarily about any absolute amount of money one is or is not spending on others. Rather, it's the extent to which something that is not God acts as a god in your life. When Jesus told that wealthy young man to sell all his belongings, it was because no matter how good of a person he was, that was something he could not do. His wealth acted as a god in his life. Of course we are supposed to give to serve and help others, but Jesus didn't have that same conversation (that we know of) with every rich person He knew. He did, however, have that conversation about what your gods are to everyone in one way or another. So I guess the question is, are your pins your gods? Do you, in a meaningful sense, worship them? Do they take up a place in your life that ought to be taken by God?

I'm lucky, in a sense, that we had a massive flood in my city last summer and I was evacuated for a week. While none of my stuff was actually in danger of being lost (by virtue of living on a second floor of an apartment building) it still gave me the opportunity to do some good values assessment. It turns out that while losing my pins or my awesome DVD collection or whatever else would really suck, it's still just stuff. I could lose it and life would go on. If Jesus asked me to sell it, I could do that (which then raises the question of "well why don't you then?" which brings us back into that vicious circle I talked about already).
 
While I am not religious, nor consider myself Christian nor any other religion, I do believe in a power greater than what I can imagine. And what I believe is that not only does "God/Allah" (as a common variable) wants us to do good and help others he also wants us to be happy and live fulfilling lives and as long as what makes us happy does not hurt or cause pain to others than he would want us to do those things, be it collecting pins, to fostering children, that we love. Granted fostering children also serves the dual purpose of helping others. However in small ways so can pin collecting, by "zapping" pins, as you all call it, or even a straight across trade can make someone happy, so I think that everything exists in a circle, that just as we want, so do we give and just as others want we give to them and they (perhaps not that exact person, but in a more general sense) they give to us.

Just my thoughts, from someone who is not "Christian" nor an atheist.
 
This has to be the most interesting question Ive ever seen here.

I too was raised Catholic, but am now a recovering Catholic and practice a more spiritual path.

I think anything that you do that brings you joy is okay in anyone's eyes. As long as you are not harming any others in the process. I think of "coveting" as wanting something that someone else has, and you are willing to do anything (including lie, cheat, steal, harm another) to get it. That to me is a sin.
 
As a Christian, I think everyone touched on what I beleive when it comes to matters like this. It comes down to "what's in your heart". If you collect pins and they become more powerful that church or family, then that's a problem. If you covet (as well defined by a couple of people above) then that is a problem. If you take your family to a Disney park to give them a truly enjoyable experience, I don't see that as a problem. In that case, you used your "wealth" to bring joy to others. Money is simply a tool and as a Christian we use that tool in the best way we can. Enjoy collecting but always remember what's really important. Don't let it control your life. JOHN
 
I loved reading this topic! It was interesting to me to see how some of you felt regarding this matter. I think to covet something is to want it above all else. To put it first in your life. To desire it above all else. If you put such a point of emphasis on pins that it becomes your sole reason for existance, your strongest desire then I would say you need to do some soul searching. Pins are things, like money, you can not take it with you. They are fun and pretty and bring us joy but they are not a necessity in this journey we call life. It is all about how we treat others that truly matters... at least that is how I see it.
 
First, last and only warning! Keep it on topic, as the initial topic is an interesting one to discuss, and keep the "non pin religious commentary" out of the discussion
 
In that case, you used your "wealth" to bring joy to others. Money is simply a tool and as a Christian we use that tool in the best way we can. Enjoy collecting but always remember what's really important. Don't let it control your life.

Very good point here John, thanks for bringing it up.

Another thing this discussion reminded me of is the debate over church art and architecture. My fiancee was telling me a few months ago about a big point of contention when they were building their new building. The thing is huge (you could fit my whole church building on the stage of her's) and has a massive, multi-story waterfall feature in the lobby. Many people thought it was a superfluous expense and it was bad to "waste" money on something that "frivolous." However, besides being the prettiest thing in her church, it also serves a practical function of cheaply humidifying the air. It would actually have been more expensive to place industrial humidifiers in the building.

I struggle with it because I have visual-spatial intelligence, which means I'm highly attuned to aesthetics, art, architecture, etc. in learning, processing, and in general experience of life. A beautiful and aesthetically rich church, for instance, does more to uplift my spirit than an austere lecture hall where they just talk and sing for an hour and half (the church I've felt most at "home" in was Notre-Dame de Paris, which is a stunning cathedral). Likewise at home, I have to surround myself with aesthetically rich material or I will pretty much start climbing the walls. Psychologically I would not be able to live in an empty monk's cell. And when you get right down to it, pins are themselves little works of art.

One thing to remember is that God Herself is the Great Artist. God doesn't despise art, and He is Creativity itself. She created the universe, and implanted in us the capacity for creativity and the appreciation for beauty. I think God is pleased with creative acts, just so long as the pursuit of beauty doesn't become a hedonism that leads us to forget justice, charity, and Him.
 
Obviously everyone's morals are different.

I teach yoga, and bought a Louis Vuitton wallet for my birthday. I had a co worker make a comment about how I shouldnt be into material things like Louis Vuitton because I taught Yoga. It has nothing to do with that. Its something I wanted, worked hard to save the money for, and treated myself to. I didnt put it above anything else in my life, it was not something I obsessed over, or did anything wrong to get.

In fact I donate money to many different charities through out the year, as well as volunteering my time, and participating in pay it forward activities.

Id give everything I had to help someone else if need be. I grew up very poor and work hard to have the things I want/buy now.

I think if you feel your collecting crosses over the line into "greed" and you are doing bad things to get what you want, then its a sin.

Do what makes you happy!!
 
The most valueable thing we have is time. What we choose to do with our time is what defines who we are. The primary goal of the mortal existence is to achieve mastery of the Spirit over the physical body, including wants and desires. The teachings of Christ was not intended to condemn anyone for their lack of mastery, but to instruct them as how to rise above weakness of the flesh. One of the problems with the views many people have in regards to Christianity, and I believe the reason why many don't believe in God, is they feel is if they do something contrary to the commandments of God they are "going to Hell", and that Hell is this place of awful existence of fire and brimstone. However, what needs to be understood is what Christ was trying to say is that if you do such and such behavior it makes you unclean, and if you are unclean, you cannot reside in my presence. And if you are not in my presence, then there is great sadness for eternity because I want you there with me.

So, is collecting pins, or desiring pins a bad thing. It can be. If in the process of aquiring these things causes you to lie, cheat, take advantage of another, or spend all of you time in pursuit of getting gain as a result of envy, then it distracts you from achieving that higher spirituality and draws you away from God. However, over the years of pin trading I have also made friends, created wonderful memories for my kids, and had a hobby that gives me happiness. I have also seen others exhibit compassion for those they have come to care about, and actions of great generosity.

In the end, it really is about balance, but I cannot really say that anyone is going to be condemed in eternity because they have a certain pin they are pursuing a particular pin for their collection. However, I wouldn't put so much effort in trying to get it everything else in life is neglected. After all, tomorrow your circumstances could change dramatically as would your priorities.
 
I think it's part of a larger struggle that all Christians have about the concept of ownership and spending on personal luxuries vs. self-sacrificial giving to others. We can always ask ourselves that about anything, not just pins: do I really need that book, or that pin, or that trip to Disneyland, or whatever.

At first, it took a lot of coaxing to get me to take a trip to Disneyland at all, because I felt guilty about spending so much money on own pleasures. Now I'm better with it, but every now and then it twinges at me. As my income has grown, my charitable giving has as well, so while I can't say I'm giving self-sacrificially I don't feel as bad about spending a bit on a pin knowing that I am also spending quite a bit more on helping others. Am I buying off my conscience? I can't say for sure. However, if you go down the rabbit hole of "am I doing enough?" you won't get out easily because the answer is "no." We can never do "enough," which is why we must rely on God's grace. Martin Luther once said that the phrase "am I doing enough?" was Satan whispering in your ear that you can (and must) save yourself by your own efforts without relying on God.

What I do think, from a theological perspective, is that the issue isn't necessarily about any absolute amount of money one is or is not spending on others. Rather, it's the extent to which something that is not God acts as a god in your life. When Jesus told that wealthy young man to sell all his belongings, it was because no matter how good of a person he was, that was something he could not do. His wealth acted as a god in his life. Of course we are supposed to give to serve and help others, but Jesus didn't have that same conversation (that we know of) with every rich person He knew. He did, however, have that conversation about what your gods are to everyone in one way or another. So I guess the question is, are your pins your gods? Do you, in a meaningful sense, worship them? Do they take up a place in your life that ought to be taken by God?

I'm lucky, in a sense, that we had a massive flood in my city last summer and I was evacuated for a week. While none of my stuff was actually in danger of being lost (by virtue of living on a second floor of an apartment building) it still gave me the opportunity to do some good values assessment. It turns out that while losing my pins or my awesome DVD collection or whatever else would really suck, it's still just stuff. I could lose it and life would go on. If Jesus asked me to sell it, I could do that (which then raises the question of "well why don't you then?" which brings us back into that vicious circle I talked about already).

Amen to that. You hit the nail right on the head.
 
false Idol's are a Sin, your only "grail" should be jesus christ
I was going to bring the first commandment into the mix, but you beat me to it . This statement, I love my pins! I'm guilty of this. Then I think, it's beautiful and I'm thankful that I was able to acquire it, happy, thrilled and excited, but love?
We enjoy collecting pins, we like our pins, but we don't love objects. We love God the father,God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. We love our family, we love our friends, our pets, but we are not suppose to love objects.
 
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