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DisneyStore Limited Edition 17" Dolls Discussion

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DisneyStore Limited Edition 17" Dolls Discussion
Hah yay! Glad to meet you too! I was surprised it was so easy to get the dolls this time round, I was expecting to get there and have missed out already.... I'm glad we got our dolls! Which number was yours? I'm curious if the dolls from a store come in numerical/consecutive order or not...
 
^^^^^ This. I see some of the same names cropping up on 'collector' groups 'begging' for dolls they 'sadly; missed out on only to see that same person selling that very doll in another group/page.... like they think we don't all join many groups not just one. That's why I'm glad I have my 'no scalpers allowed' trusted collector group on FB.... we get dolls for each other....

I see some people have made the transition from pins to dolls too!
 
I have also been just a "watcher" even after I signed up and too am not very talkative and didnt feel the need to contribute because I simply enjoyed reading about other people's posts which made me feel not alone in my collecting. I understand now the importance of contributing. On another note, I also live in Florida and can relate to the bug/light/ heat issue.

I think FL must just about be the worst state for doll collecting. Nice to know I'm not alone though. :)
 
Lol Starry Solo! And I thought pins were too expensive... Haha! But at least I can buy dolls online at retail. Can't do the same for pins with very few exceptions, by the kindness of people on this forum like Speezard :)
 
Yay, blast off for the LE Cindy....My Anna still sits in a dark dusty corner of a warehouse awaiting to be found so her label can be attached and sent.
 
when I read about people having an amazing time at the disney store with opening the store and getting a cute little key and meeting others from the forum. I feel like ariel I wanne be were the people are! I wanne see them buy stuff. (lol) I want to be part of their world. But i can't lol maybe i should find Ursula, give her my horrible voice so i could teleport to the uk or the US with every release
 
Lol Starry Solo! And I thought pins were too expensive... Haha! But at least I can buy dolls online at retail. Can't do the same for pins with very few exceptions, by the kindness of people on this forum like Speezard :)

There are quite a few pin people on FB that got into dolls just to re-sell them :(
 
I would just like to point out to everyone (new and old collectors alike) that scalpers are not necessarily new people; it's wishful thinking to assume all scalpers must be new because there's no way they wouldn't have gotten caught if they'd been scalping for a year or more......I know plenty of well-respected, high up collectors on that page who scalp frequently and are never maligned by anyone for it because of how long they have been "collecting."

To be honest, I don't drive myself crazy over scalpers. They exist and they're not going anywhere. I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to help them, but it's kind of a waste of energy to get so paranoid or angry about them like some people do. And I would never go so far as to ask anyone to "prove" they're a collector, this is a doll forum not a police state.


But I totally agree with your point--- because I too have seen people, not necessarily here but on Facebook sometimes, who are very vocal against scalpers, practically to the point of calling for a witch hunt, who then turn right around themselves and try to sell their dolls at the same going rate as or even higher than eBay — and no one ever says anything about it. I often wonder, am I really the only person noticing this? And this sort of thing will occur directly after a release with new dolls too, so it's not always someone selling off their collection. Sometimes the dolls are sold at retail but just as often it's at an increased price. It all seems a bit hypocritical to me. There seems to be a very fine line between 'scalper' and 'collectors who resell,' and I can't figure out how people arbitrarily decide who is who.


On the other hand, if there weren't any resellers no one would be able to get past releases they missed. So we also have to look at ourselves--for all the complaining we do about scalpers, we are complicit if we buy from them. Scalpers will continue to sell as long as collectors buy from them, so if you purchase a doll from a reseller above the retail price then aren't you contributing to the problem and just as responsible? But people aren't going to stop buying dolls secondhand -- people want what they want (and I include myself in this) so all the grandstanding and "principles" go right out the window. And I also have to mention --- having talked to other collectors, nearly all of them have let it slip that they have resold a doll at some point for some reason or another, and I wouldn't be surprised if reselling by actual collectors happens more frequently than by pure scalpers.

Also, people do buy doubles, sometimes to have one to debox or trade or because more than one person in the family collects, and as long as they are following Disney's rules of one per person, two per household, I am personally fine with that (with the exception of something like the Wedding Doll with an extremely low LE number) because they are still keeping to Disney's policy. It's the people that try to circumvent the rules and go over that amount with 3 or 4 or 5 or more or people who really have no interest in these dolls at all and just buy to sell off immediately for a quick profit that I don't like, because at that point, I'm sorry, but you're just being a pig. Still I don't let myself get terribly stressed over it, because it really is pointless to do so. There are so many people reselling right now that eventually most of them will just give it up because they won't be able to make any money with it. Just look at the past releases -- some of these I've seen for retail or slightly below retail which means resellers are losing money due to fees and such.
 
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when I read about people having an amazing time at the disney store with opening the store and getting a cute little key and meeting others from the forum. I feel like ariel I wanne be were the people are! I wanne see them buy stuff. (lol) I want to be part of their world. But i can't lol maybe i should find Ursula, give her my horrible voice so i could teleport to the uk or the US with every release


The last few releases at my store, I have met some great people. We can also spot the resellers. But it helps to past time in line.
 
To be honest, I don't drive myself crazy over scalpers. They exist and they're not going anywhere. I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to help them, but it's kind of a waste of energy to get so paranoid or angry about them like some people do. And I would never go so far as to ask anyone to "prove" they're a collector, this is a doll forum not a police state.


But I totally agree with your point--- because I too have seen people, not necessarily here but on Facebook sometimes, who are very vocal against scalpers, practically to the point of calling for a witch hunt, who then turn right around themselves and try to sell their dolls at the same going rate as or even higher than eBay — and no one ever says anything about it. I often wonder, am I really the only person noticing this? And this sort of thing will occur directly after a release with new dolls too, so it's not always someone selling off their collection. Sometimes the dolls are sold at retail but just as often it's at an increased price. It all seems a bit hypocritical to me. There seems to be a very fine line between 'scalper' and 'collectors who resell,' and I can't figure out how people arbitrarily decide who is who.


On the other hand, if there weren't any resellers no one would be able to get past releases they missed. So we also have to look at ourselves--for all the complaining we do about scalpers, we are complicit if we buy from them. Scalpers will continue to sell as long as collectors buy from them, so if you purchase a doll from a reseller above the retail price then aren't you contributing to the problem and just as responsible? But people aren't going to stop buying dolls secondhand -- people want what they want (and I include myself in this) so all the grandstanding and "principles" go right out the window. And I also have to mention --- having talked to other collectors, nearly all of them have let it slip that they have resold a doll at some point for some reason or another, and I wouldn't be surprised if reselling by actual collectors happens more frequently than by pure scalpers.

Also, people do buy doubles, sometimes to have one to debox or trade or because more than one person in the family collects, and as long as they are following Disney's rules of one per person, two per household, I am personally fine with that (with the exception of something like the Wedding Doll with an extremely low LE number) because they are still keeping to Disney's policy. It's the people that try to circumvent the rules and go over that amount with 3 or 4 or 5 or more or people who really have no interest in these dolls at all and just buy to sell off immediately for a quick profit that I don't like, because at that point, I'm sorry, but you're just being a pig. Still I don't let myself get terribly stressed over it, because it really is pointless to do so. There are so many people reselling right now that eventually most of them will just give it up because they won't be able to make any money with it. Just look at the past releases -- some of these I've seen for retail or slightly below retail which means resellers are losing money due to fees and such.


If you resell, you have to increase the price or you lose money. Here is what I mean:

My stores had Cindies still left. There were people on FB who wanted a doll and missed out. So I offered to buy a doll and send it to them. There were people in Australia who wanted a doll. With the rate of shipping internationally and paypal fees the total cost was near double. I felt bad that it cost so much, but I was just trying to help. Another person was in the states and had the nerve to say I was trying to scam them. I almost cursed them out. Since there were Cindies left, I was just trying to pay it forward as someone local sold me an Aurora at retail. Sometimes it feels like a lose-lose situation.
 
If you resell, you have to increase the price or you lose money. Here is what I mean:

My stores had Cindies still left. There were people on FB who wanted a doll and missed out. So I offered to buy a doll and send it to them. There were people in Australia who wanted a doll. With the rate of shipping internationally and paypal fees the total cost was near double. I felt bad that it cost so much, but I was just trying to help. Another person was in the states and had the nerve to say I was trying to scam them. I almost cursed them out. Since there were Cindies left, I was just trying to pay it forward as someone local sold me an Aurora at retail. Sometimes it feels like a lose-lose situation.

Oh I totally understand that -- I see people reselling for cost plus fees and shipping and I consider that selling at retail. I was referring to people who try to resell at way over cost one day (not including fees and shipping and such) and then are complaining very loudly about other people being scalpers the next. I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy of it all.
 
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Oh I totally understand that -- I see people reselling for cost plus fees and shipping and I consider that selling at retail. I was referring to people who try to resell at way over cost one day (not including fees and shipping and such) and then are complaining very loudly about other people being scalpers the next. I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy of it all.

My favorite is the "needing to sell for emergency" reason then the next week asking for specific dolls.
 
Hah yay! Glad to meet you too! I was surprised it was so easy to get the dolls this time round, I was expecting to get there and have missed out already.... I'm glad we got our dolls! Which number was yours? I'm curious if the dolls from a store come in numerical/consecutive order or not...

I can't remember what the exact number was now -- It was somewhere in the thousands, which is what I always seem to get there. I never get low numbers --not that I really mind though. I worry more about the doll and box being in good shape.
 
I got my blast off email for blue Cindy despite the card details being wrong when I last checked! I cannot wait to see her in person!
 
Contrary to some posts I've seen here, these dolls do cost real money to produce. After the prototype work is done in California, there is a significant amount of work on each of these that can only be done carefully by hand, one stitch or rhinestone at a time. Making a line bigger is not simply waving a wand and making it so.
Additionally, as anyone who owns more than a few of these can attest, these dolls take up space. Increasing an edition size or sitting on unsold dolls is going to be difficult to accommodate.

In looking at how Disney has experimented with edition sizes over the years, it seems pretty clear that numbers aren't fixed and they're kind of constantly experimenting, but the high edition size of Wedding Rapunzel isn't necessarily the answer.

I've wondered how much of the work on these dolls, if any, is done by hand. It does seem like some of it would have to be. Is there info somewhere on how they are made, as in any work that's done by hand? I would love to know more about it.
 
To be honest, I don't drive myself crazy over scalpers. They exist and they're not going anywhere. I'm certainly not going to go out of my way to help them, but it's kind of a waste of energy to get so paranoid or angry about them like some people do. And I would never go so far as to ask anyone to "prove" they're a collector, this is a doll forum not a police state. ...On the other hand, if there weren't any resellers no one would be able to get past releases they missed. So we also have to look at ourselves--for all the complaining we do about scalpers, we are complicit if we buy from them. Scalpers will continue to sell as long as collectors buy from them, so if you purchase a doll from a reseller above the retail price then aren't you contributing to the problem and just as responsible? But people aren't going to stop buying dolls secondhand -- people want what they want (and I include myself in this) so all the grandstanding and "principles" go right out the window. And I also have to mention --- having talked to other collectors, nearly all of them have let it slip that they have resold a doll at some point for some reason or another, and I wouldn't be surprised if reselling by actual collectors happens more frequently than by pure scalpers.

I agree completely on how no one would be able to complete their collections if scalpers didn't exist. :) It's weird thinking how, hypothetically, if literally everyone who bought the dolls was a collector than they would all be so much harder (and maybe even more expensive!) to find. So at least they provide something positive for brand-new collectors who have the means to afford all the dolls they missed once they get started. :)

And I also agree that it's not so much people who buy two dolls for display purchases, but those who hit 4 or 5 Disney Stores on release days and then buy a few more sets online that are frustrating to hear about. But I suppose they come with the territory of doll collecting and must be tolerated to some regard, and for me it is an inconvenience from time to time but nothing that makes my blood boil. And I really don't think the forum should ever go to extra lengths to "find" scalpers; I hope everyone in favor of that has already read or watched The Crucible and at least knows what trouble they'll be asking for. :)
 
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Yay just got my blast off for blue Cindy, so excited for her to arrive and even more so since seeing the movie this weekend! I think this is the quickest I have gotten a blast off email on one of these dolls. Still a little disappointed about wedding Cindy but have been talked down from paying the current eBay price for her by my sis. At the end of the day as my mom always says if it's meant to be it will be.

You can count me as one of the people who got into doll collecting after being a pin collector for a while. I started with the designer dolls, wanted aurora but ended up only able to get Snow White due to that cluster of a release, and I must say that I think Disney has improved slightly with every release I have done since. Although not with packaging dolls for shipping, that still needs to be addressed. I just got into the 17" dolls with last years frozen release and now I have 9 in my collection and 4 designer 12", none of the older releases yet although I'm thinking about adding wedding rapunzel.

As to the scalper discussion I would only add this. I certainly appreciate people who allow collectors the opportunity to purchase items near cost because otherwise there are definately pins I wouldn't have in my collection. There are certainly good people out there helping us find what we are truly looking to add to our collections. At the end of the day though I can't complain too much as long as I have as good of a chance to purchase an item as another person. Obviously this won't be the case with in park releases but for online ones it should be. One thing I have seen people say is that some scalpers use bot code to purchase multiple items quickly. This is one thing I feel that Disney could address that would make it a fairer process for everyone. Beyond that I think we should take a lesson from the Cinderella movie and be kind to all of those on the board and not make people feel unwelcome from contributing. Even though I have been a registered user for a while I got out of collecting for a few years and then l lurked for a few years before really getting back into the boards. you never know why people are viewing but not contributing so let's assume the best unless we have concrete reasons to believe differently. I have loved belonging to this community and want those new and established to feel the same.
 
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I don't have a problem at all with re-sellers. I am sure many of us have bought things and then sold them down the road to either help pay for bills or to get other items that we want more. And like jerzeegirl3 and amm3 have pointed out, it allows people who couldn't get the dolls a second chance to get them regardless of the increase in price. Take me for example. I bought the Belle and Beast Designer Set back when it first came out, and I loved them dearly. They were my first ever limited edition dolls, and I remember just sitting down and staring at them in total awe for like 30 minutes after I took them out of the package. However, I couldn't display them properly as I had a severe lack of room, so they were kept in the box they were shipped in in the corner of my room for a majority of the time I had them, which was over a year or so. So when the Sleeping Beauty dolls were coming out, which I had been anticipating for over a year or two because of Maleficent, I decided to sell the set so I could have enough money to get her. Despite how much I loved them, it was obvious that someone would be happier with them than I would given my current living situation. So I looked up sold eBay listings to see what they would normally go for, compared those prices to the original retail price, and came up with a price somewhere in-between and sold them (I am in a situation where I can offer free shipping too, so that helped).

I just hate how scalpers with no sense of worth or love for Disney will show up at the stores on release day, sometimes with multiple people, buy them and then sell them on that same day for stupid prices (and sometimes even GLOAT about it right in front of people) and often leave several people disappointed that they couldn't get the dolls that they wanted. A $119 doll isn't worth $400+ on day one, and it just disgusts me.

I guess scalpers are really a double edged sword at the end of the day. They are both good and bad. I have to resort to eBay to get a lot of the dolls that I want but missed, like Cinderella, Tinkerbell and so on, so I guess I have to be thankful that we have the option to get them on the secondary market at all.
 
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I'm glad to hear someone liking Cindy's box. I actually love it in person and was so surprised by the tie in the back.

If I had to complain about ball gown Cindy, it would be that her neck is really long and skinny, making it a little odd, and just too much glitter on the chest.

I hated it in the photo and then loved it in person. The ribbon on top is ribbon, rather than a thick, hideous jutting-up plastic handle like I had thought from the picture. The bow on the back is adorable. The box material is better quality than the photo looked. The cut-outs on the sides are really unique and pretty, they remind me both of her carriage and also of C for Cinderella.

Her doll itself also looks more gorgeous in person than I had expected. I know Disney is getting a bit of a reputation for taking unflattering pictures, but I've never been as deceived before as I was with her. I can't stop staring at her now, she has pride-of-place on the table right by my computer. I was almost certain that I was going to take a pass on her, I didn't buy online and got too tired being awake all night to line up for what I thought was a doll I wasn't going to buy, and if it wasn't for my fiance (lining up, seeing her in person and making the decision on my behalf), I would have missed out.
 
That usually means that the DS created the shipping label but it hasn't been scanned by UPS yet. I wouldn't worry yet-- for my last order it was nearly 3 days between the time they generated the label and the time it was actually scanned by UPS.
Thank you very much amm3 for the info :) I really hope there s no problem getting her to me as I really can't wait to see her in person and debox her to put her with my film collection Cinderella dolls! :) :wavey:
 
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I only sell my previous dolls (disney, barbie, etc.) to help pay for new ones that I want more. I am still trying to find a way to get Wedding Cinderella and it might be a lost cause. She is going for $2000+ and each time one sells, the price goes up more. I am so, so disappointed. Especially since I was online at 3am and did everything I could to get her. I feel so low.
 
Slightly OT since they're not 17", but if anyone is still wanting Tiana/Naveen or Poca/John Smith set, they are in Times Square DS still, and a fair few of each...
 
I just saw the Cinderella movie and loved both it and the Frozen short before it. I decided to pass on the dolls because I wasn't digging the look. I like the ways dolls based off animations look better imo. It's a shame that people have to deal with scalpers, but they are around no matter the collectible. I've seen them for dolls, pins, action figures, even LE china. The thing that gets me is how greedy some of them get. It's one thing to buy something and sell it for more than double retail thus taking away from an actual collector. But, when they buy multiples or have their friends and family each buy one to increase their profit is when it really gets to me.
Anyways, even though I joined a while ago like many I am not much of a talker, because I am newer to this collectible so any of my input would probably already be known. I joined back in the day because I was getting big into disney pin collecting and just happen to find that this forum also had a doll collectible sub-forum. I was disappointed that I missed SQ Elsa, but I am thankful to the community I was able to acquire the most recent release, so thank you very much.
In unrelated news after seeing the Frozen short I really do hope the come out with their outfits. I know some people are tired of all the dolls released by them, but its on of my favorites =P
 
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