Trader meanies

[Kitty]

So I was at Epcot today, like almost every other other week, and some thing that annoys me the most is pin trader meanies. I get that people get really serious about trading, but if you are going to display at a park, don't act like your pins are way better than mine. Basically they are there just to show off their stuff. So tell me, what bothers you most about real world traders?

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[Damiens pins]

Mine is that a trader last year at Epcot was telling me that his Jerry Leigh pins was worth more than the uk le pins lol he must of thought I was stupid he was wanting 3 of my uk pins for 2 of his Jerry Leigh pins well when he said this to me I just walked away and leaft him hanging lol after that I had seen him another day trying to do the same thing with another trader that had DSSH pins I thought to my self he will never give up on trying I would of put him straight but I new it would lead to an argument and didn't want to be chucked out of the park

 

[Sami]

I haven't met any mean traders yet, I try to read people's body language, facial expression and tone when I see traders or start talking to them. If I sense erragence or elitest type personality then I just say thank you and walk away. I have seen people who take up whole spaces and benches to display their pins, but I agree with you Kitty, it's like they are just showing off, they don't actually want to trade, or they only want all your LE's. (There is a guy who has all the Pigs from the hidden mickey car family set, he doesn't trade he just walks around with a full lanyard of only that pin just to say No, I think he just enjoys crushing people's dreams )
I find this to be a big problem in the Cosplay community, I encounter a lot of self proclaimed "Elitests" they aren't "mean" to me but I dont allow them to be nasty with cosplayers who dont have professional looking costumes. Some people just don't have the money, time or skills for some of this stuff and it doesn't mean that they didn't put the same time and effort into their costume. (I spend close to $500 in materials for 1 Cosplay that's pretty psycho even for me)
Same thing for pins, it's a very expensive hobby and not everyone can spend that kind of money or time to have an 'epic' pin collection but it doesn't mean their collection isn't as good as someone who has more pins, it's just a different collection. I can't stand it either, whether it's pins or another hobby, people like that are just fun suckers, it's not a competition it's just for fun! People who have to talk their pins up remind me of used car sales men. They're by personal preference so not everyone is going to have the same opinion of a pin that another person may have. You go Kitty! No one's pin collection is better than anyone else's! PooPooOnThem

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[Justin_Bieber]

every time i try to trade i get asked for pictures and autographs and they ignore the trade so i come across as a meanie all I want to do is trade a pin like a normal boy

 

[watzshakinbacon]

every time i try to trade i get asked for pictures and autographs and they ignore the trade so i come across as a meanie all I want to do is trade a pin like a normal boy

Haha first world problems


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[MerlinEmrys]

I have a sinking suspicion I know exactly who you're talking about from the Epcot groups. The one that just trots out some of the most valuable pins and I'm like "Do you seriously think you're going to make a trade for something here!?" Yeah, that's a major annoyance.

 

[Kitty]

Thank you to everyone here for saying this. Some times I feel like maybe I was just crying about it for no reason, but then I think about the LIAA event. I was standing in line for the pin board and this lady in front of me had the acme hot art Marie pin (the one where she is in a frame), I wanted to trade for it since my sister loves Marie, so I offered her a look at my newly acquired AP and PP pins. She found two she liked and had the nerve to ask for the two for her one pin, claiming that hers was really high value. I ignored her request, so she took just one (a 2015 Halloween maleficent AP). She was rude and really liked talking down to us. Ugh. Oh and this weekend someone told my husband that AP and PP only count in the events, not the real world

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[Ajk]

someone told my husband that AP and PP only count in the events, not the real world 

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What does that even mean?? What, they somehow become less valuable/more common outside an event? If he means events are one of the few places you can get your hands on them, then I agree. And thank goodness for events or i wouldn't have any! But if he is suggesting they should be treated like common pins, or trade at the same level as their non-AP/PP counterparts, I for one disagree. Especially PP. I realize a lot of people don't collect/trade them and that's one thing, (I personally only do the first and not the second) but very different from trying to talk them down in a trading situation. My 2 cents.

And I agree that there are some meanies out there. I especially remember how much the "Trade with you? Trade my awesome pin for anything you could possibly have? Hah!" attitude from when I first started collecting many years ago. That made me only collect and not trade for my first few years. And it still very much annoys me when someone says to a casual trader "Hmmm...That's a "common" (rare) LE you got there, but I have this "special" (common) HM that's "hard to find" that I might be willing to trade to you because I am nice". Way to completely ruin the hobby for those just starting out. But we all know those sorts of people will get what's coming to them in the end. You reap what you sow!

Sorry for being so excited. I have been watching this thread and debating whether or not to comment but obviously it ended up striking a nerve. I'll calm down now.:soapbox:

 

[Kitty]

What does that even mean?? What, they somehow become less valuable/more common outside an event? If he means events are one of the few places you can get your hands on them, then I agree. And thank goodness for events or i wouldn't have any! But if he is suggesting they should be treated like common pins, or trade at the same level as their non-AP/PP counterparts, I for one disagree. Especially PP. I realize a lot of people don't collect/trade them and that's one thing, (I personally only do the first and not the second) but very different from trying to talk them down in a trading situation. My 2 cents.

And I agree that there are some meanies out there. I especially remember how much the "Trade with you? Trade my awesome pin for anything you could possibly have? Hah!" attitude from when I first started collecting many years ago. That made me only collect and not trade for my first few years. And it still very much annoys me when someone says to a casual trader "Hmmm...That's a "common" (rare) LE you got there, but I have this "special" (common) HM that's "hard to find" that I might be willing to trade to you because I am nice". Way to completely ruin the hobby for those just starting out. But we all know those sorts of people will get what's coming to them in the end. You reap what you sow!

Sorry for being so excited. I have been watching this thread and debating whether or not to comment but obviously it ended up striking a nerve. I'll calm down now.:soapbox:

No please, your feedback was amazing. My husband and I have been trading for almost a year now but we had to become experts fast because of people like that. The lady who traded the Marie pin to me made the pin sound like it was LE of 100, please I can still go online now and buy it. She wanted 2 of my AP pins. AP is one of 25, way rarer then any regular pin. PP one of 3, amazing. The man who said that to my husband, well it boiled our blood too.

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[Jabberwocky]

As someone who does collect APs and PPs (for over a decade), the truth is most people DON'T care about them - viewing them as just "Another Pin". And it's true that while the interest does get high for them at events because they're so readily available there, the interest does immediately cool afterward. And the general rule of thumb is that they're only worth a slight premium above whatever the regular pin is worth - and most people aren't even that interested in them.

That said, find an AP or PP that someone specifically collects, then maybe it will have some extra appeal to them - as my AP and PP pins are for me.

Just don't be surprised when others don't value them as you do - especially when they know they only "cost" you a cheap trader pin to a board.

 

[IceQueenSupreme]

I’m so glad you guys brought this topic up. I’ve been collecting pins for almost 3 years now and this weekend my wife and I went to Disneyland. There was a huge number of people trading and my wife immediately asked me why I don’t approach people and try to trade.
I had to explain to her how you really have to know your pins before approaching others, especially the super fanatics that take up a whole bench or table with their books and lanyards. I had to explain how people can be very rude if you make the mistake of trying to trade what others may think are “less valuable†and that you need to know what’s an actual LE and what’s a common.
As for the show offs, this is why I don’t bring my lanyard to the parks. I don’t trade my dumbo pins and I don’t want to be the jerk who just brings it to show off. I know people would approach and I don’t want to be “that guyâ€
Just my thoughts


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[pretty_Omi]

My pet peeve is some of the people who have their collection/traders as the same book, it's just frustrating when ALL the pins in my book are for trade, but everything I like of theirs is their "keeper" but there's no way to distinguish unless they say that.
I also hate the ones who pick something OE, or with a really high edition size from your book, then pass you theirs and it's all Soda Fountain, WDI, and DA pins, which any of them are no where near the same value of the pin they want from you. You ask if there's anything else they want from you, and they say no. I've honestly responded, well I don't know why you're asking to trade, since you're just going to laugh at me if I ask for anything in your book. They're usually a little off guard by that, and take their pins and go. I think they just want to show off.

Lots of meanies at Disneyland today, and people with books full of scrappers. We chased off a trader who was trying to scam a day guest into buying brand new pins, in exchange for scrappers. We stopped and told the woman what scrappers were. The trader was pissed at us, but they were very obvious scrappers and it's wrong she was trying to scam this woman for real pins.

 

[IceQueenSupreme]

My pet peeve is some of the people who have their collection/traders as the same book, it's just frustrating when ALL the pins in my book are for trade, but everything I like of theirs is their "keeper" but there's no way to distinguish unless they say that.
I also hate the ones who pick something OE, or with a really high edition size from your book, then pass you theirs and it's all Soda Fountain, WDI, and DA pins, which any of them are no where near the same value of the pin they want from you. You ask if there's anything else they want from you, and they say no. I've honestly responded, well I don't know why you're asking to trade, since you're just going to laugh at me if I ask for anything in your book. They're usually a little off guard by that, and take their pins and go. I think they just want to show off.

Lots of meanies at Disneyland today, and people with books full of scrappers. We chased off a trader who was trying to scam a day guest into buying brand new pins, in exchange for scrappers. We stopped and told the woman what scrappers were. The trader was pissed at us, but they were very obvious scrappers and it's wrong she was trying to scam this woman for real pins.

Did you go to DLR this weekend?


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[pretty_Omi]

Did you go to DLR this weekend?


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Just today. It was way too hot and the pin trading was discouraging.

 

[IceQueenSupreme]

Just today. It was way too hot and the pin trading was discouraging.

Same here! I went yesterday when it was cooler and I didn’t even bother trading. I could see what was on most people’s lanyards and I wasn’t impressed


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[Sami]

Same here! I went yesterday when it was cooler and I didn’t even bother trading. I could see what was on most people’s lanyards and I wasn’t impressed


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Ahhhh!!! I was there the week prior to you guys and the trading was so bad, nothing put scrappers on every board and lanyard, and people were trying to cut in front of some of the board lines. I hate when people do that!!! I usually find 1, just 1 good pin and I wait in line with people who are buying and also looking at the board(people are buying pins and trading at the counter so it's a line!!) and every time I mention a pin to my sister someone tries to slide in front of me to get it. ROAR!! I snap hard at people like that, then they act like they "didn't know" BS!!!!! They have bags larger than mine and 3x as many lanyards on their body, BS They know pin trading rules!!!! They just thought no one was going to bark at them for doing it, I see how they're looking around to see if anyone notices. That really makes me mad, especially because I'm with my sister and no one is going to crush her pin dreams on my watch...

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[IceQueenSupreme]

Ahhhh!!! I was there the week prior to you guys and the trading was so bad, nothing put scrappers on every board and lanyard, and people were trying to cut in front of some of the board lines. I hate when people do that!!! I usually find 1, just 1 good pin and I wait in line with people who are buying and also looking at the board(people are buying pins and trading at the counter so it's a line!!) and every time I mention a pin to my sister someone tries to slide in front of me to get it. ROAR!! I snap hard at people like that, then they act like they "didn't know" BS!!!!! They have bags larger than mine and 3x as many lanyards on their body, BS They know pin trading rules!!!! They just thought no one was going to bark at them for doing it, I see how they're looking around to see if anyone notices. That really makes me mad, especially because I'm with my sister and no one is going to crush her pin dreams on my watch...

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Good for you for saying something!! I can’t stand people like that. That’s what makes it difficult to trade or even buy in park. The pin community has really taken a turn and the amount of scrappers is astonishing. My wife isn’t a pin collector and I had to explain to her why I wasn’t trading with anyone and didn’t even bother to bring my lanyard that day. There were plenty of people with albums and even full vests of pins, but I could tell by their demeanor when people approached them that some were obviously difficult traders.


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[LittleBird]

Once in a while, I'm grateful I don't live near a park, and this is one of those times. If I had tried to trade in person when I was starting out and ran into these types, I would have quit. I wonder how many new people they have run out of the hobby.

 

[Disneychildwithin]

Yeah, I'd definitely be too intimidated to even approach a group of traders at a park. Especially with me not recognizing scrappers/fakes all that well.

 

[IceQueenSupreme]

I really feel for the newer pin traders that went because you just knew that sharks were preying on them because they would be least likely to tell between a scrapper and a real pin.


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[Sami]

Good for you for saying something!! I can’t stand people like that. That’s what makes it difficult to trade or even buy in park. The pin community has really taken a turn and the amount of scrappers is astonishing. My wife isn’t a pin collector and I had to explain to her why I wasn’t trading with anyone and didn’t even bother to bring my lanyard that day. There were plenty of people with albums and even full vests of pins, but I could tell by their demeanor when people approached them that some were obviously difficult traders.


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Collecting everything Dumbo, one flying elephant at a time

I agree completely with you, I'm always vulturing around my sister and mom when people come and ask them for trades, they only CM and board trade so I have a no people trade rule with them, they aren't allowed unless I have said Ok. I can tell with some people they start getting uncomfortable with me, which usually means they're trying a lopsided or scam trade with them.

I've noticed the people with the vests that look like little Disney Biker Gangs are super difficult and many of them are really premadana and super melo-dramatic, they act like you're some peasant who has no business even speaking with them, and the way they act when they look at the boards is absolutely ridiculous, like someone just killed their pet or something. They're super loud about it, every one knows there is a bunch of scrappers why you acting surprised!?! People who don't trade usually come up as ask me if most pin traders are that way -______- makes us look bad.

I had to move all my LE/LR trades to one bag I dont like keeping them in the same place as the OE and HM's anymore and I have a smaller one for everything else, and a page for little kids (only time I willingly take a scrap trade but it's ok it makes them really happy) its a little of a hassel but it keeps poopy people away since it doesnt look like i have anything pricey or rare.
I try not trading so much at the parks with people, but I will say there are a few people who do come often who I have traded with that are very nice and have similar trade philosophies. I even met someone who goes around taking scrappers and putting real pins down on the boards... I think she may be a pin angel..

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[Sami]

I really feel for the newer pin traders that went because you just knew that sharks were preying on them because they would be least likely to tell between a scrapper and a real pin.


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I didn't even know about "sharks" before DPF, and I didn't know what they looked like or anything. Sockgnome was kind enough to point one out to me when I went to trade with Starry_solo, it really helped me identify what kind of people they generally may be.
It's so sad when they do those things, it can really make new traders completely stop trading all together.

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[Sami]

Yeah, I'd definitely be too intimidated to even approach a group of traders at a park. Especially with me not recognizing scrappers/fakes all that well.

Don't worry! My DoomBoard is halfway finished, I'm waiting for a few more things in the mail so I can complete it. I found some other fakes/scrappers i didnt know were faked yet, now I just need the real pin so I can put them side by side, and more Tsum' s, they should be here some time this week, the others may come in over the weekend or next Monday.

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[Disneychildwithin]

Can't wait Sami!

Don't worry! My DoomBoard is halfway finished, I'm waiting for a few more things in the mail so I can complete it. I found some other fakes/scrappers i didnt know were faked yet, now I just need the real pin so I can put them side by side, and more Tsum' s, they should be here some time this week, the others may come in over the weekend or next Monday.

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[IceQueenSupreme]

I agree completely with you, I'm always vulturing around my sister and mom when people come and ask them for trades, they only CM and board trade so I have a no people trade rule with them, they aren't allowed unless I have said Ok. I can tell with some people they start getting uncomfortable with me, which usually means they're trying a lopsided or scam trade with them.

I've noticed the people with the vests that look like little Disney Biker Gangs are super difficult and many of them are really premadana and super melo-dramatic, they act like you're some peasant who has no business even speaking with them, and the way they act when they look at the boards is absolutely ridiculous, like someone just killed their pet or something. They're super loud about it, every one knows there is a bunch of scrappers why you acting surprised!?! People who don't trade usually come up as ask me if most pin traders are that way -______- makes us look bad.

I had to move all my LE/LR trades to one bag I dont like keeping them in the same place as the OE and HM's anymore and I have a smaller one for everything else, and a page for little kids (only time I willingly take a scrap trade but it's ok it makes them really happy) its a little of a hassel but it keeps poopy people away since it doesnt look like i have anything pricey or rare.
I try not trading so much at the parks with people, but I will say there are a few people who do come often who I have traded with that are very nice and have similar trade philosophies. I even met someone who goes around taking scrappers and putting real pins down on the boards... I think she may be a pin angel..

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Haha I love the Disney Biker Gang name i saw too many of those, a few of which took over a while bench and had people waiting around them just to ask for a trade. That’s a genius idea to have a kids page in your album, that way you can avoid looking like the guy whose every other pin is a “keeper.†One reason I do try not to trade is because I don’t feel I’m completely literate in knowing for sure if I have a scrapper and I don’t want to spread the scrapper disease to unsuspecting people. I’d like to know I’m making a fair trade and I don’t want to contribute to the mess.
Bless whoever that woman is! We need more quality control in the park when it comes to the pin boards and even CM pins. Unfortunately this isn’t something Disney can crack down on.


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