I agree with you Bread. I think sometimes people don't understand that they offer really uneven trades. I understand the want for older pins, but how is offering someone a newer pin that one can still buy and then get asked 2 Disney Auction pins in return. Not just any DA pins, but those of a really popular character. I'm all about helping fellow members and I don't mind loosing out a bit as long as I know it's a fair trade. I've learned this over time: it's about the quality of the pins, not the quantity. I've had a few traders get really upset, and I remember threw a fit just because I wouldnt trade a pin that has almost 300 people wanting and only 9 trading for 8 Le2000 pins that i could easily buy. Then they go about saying I'm being unfair, or that all of us are being unfair. If someone doesn't want to trade, then so be itI respect that. I've offered some really old DA LE100 pins for newer jessicas and I'm told "while you are offering amazing pins, I want to hold on to it for a little while longer and see if i can get a grail with it". Why should I get upset over that? You always have to respect traders opinion no matter how badly you want a pin. Not stop talking to them.
I dunno... its kind of hard to feel bad about not being able to trade for pins that I am wanting when all those poor people in Japan are suffering right now.
Now you know how I feel and have felt for over a YEAR!!! Even getting a rack pin (old one) is hard. I'll send out some requests for your pin and let you now if I get any takers.
yeah i agree with you too,traders have the absolute right to refuse a trade or to counter a trade.i just seem to be running into this more and more.it seems like so many more traders are afraid to make good fair trades in the fear that they'll lose out on a grail opportunity.if they live in that fear their going to miss out on a lot of good trades.
I understand where everyone comes from. I know its been more and more difficult to trade nowadays, but I see it done all the time. Why? because people offer what a person wants. Plain and simple. I still dont get why some traders can't understand that just because you offer something in a persons wants list, that they MUST accept. That is just silly. You don't always get everythign you want. It took me FOREVER to trade for my Jessicas as Maleficent, but never did I throw a hissy fit. It's a damn hard pin to find, and I would never offer newly released pins for it. I will never blame someone for wanting an Le100 for an LE100. NEVER. Or a Jessica for a Jessia. It is THEIR PINS and they can trade however they like. If you don't like it, then that's up to you, but don't be rude about it you know? But look at how you see it Bread, it's not always fun not being able to trade, but you respect and understand the trader. It shows me alot that you continue, you dont throw tantrums just because you can't get what you want. I admire that
AGREED. trading has become less fun and more of a stressful problem then a fun hobbie. I can understand not wanting to trade something your really attached too, or even not wanting to trade because you don't like something you'd be getting in return, but when you have to sit there and cry and complain about it, you take all the fun out of pin collecting and trading for not only you but also the person your trading with. i stopped pin collecting for years because it become a competition and a fight more than a fun time. People forget that and care more about themselves than others. Its really sad =(
Ive only collected a total of 16 pins in my lifetime, and One gail (jessica as Monroe LE 100) but i gave it up because i needed the money, and i wanted it to go to someone who would enjoy it....
AMEN.
I wish this sense of entitlement to certain pins would clear from trading in general. It's supposed to be a fun hobby, not a competition. And if it's somehow made into a competition, who is anyone to say what's fair and not fair?
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lol what about sense of entitlement from some traders that lets them believe they can be rude. Lol then they wonder why they get no trades lmao
I just got a reply from someone I cintacted over a week ago and I asked for 1 of 2 pins off my wants list, offered them the PTN Cinderella to see if I could get a bite and was told they'd not trade either for it...
I know its lower LE but going off wants/trades then can see mines highly wanted...and I dont get how Im to get these pins when Im offering hard to get pins for hard to get pins in return..I really am shocked Im getting turned down with PTN pins when if I tried to trade for them Id have to trade an arm or a leg for them...
I'm glad they do it for you, but I don't get it. Like, I don't grasp how "LE 400 Stock Art Pasted On A Red Circle" (Pin: 82793) has more than twice the Want ratings of any of the DSF LE 300 Rapunzel pins (all of which have more detail, and more imaginative design). Literally the only explanation in my mind is "French Pin Trading Conspiracy To Create Artificial Demand." HahaI saw plenty of DLRP PTN pins at my first PTN (at California's DLR) and thought they were all pretty unexciting. Even just the fact that you're listing "small" as an asset to their design makes no sense to me. I've never seen anyone say they like small pins before, while I've seen lots of people say they enjoy larger ones.
I really think at this point, the perceived value of DLRP PTN pins is carried almost purely on inertia and hoarding.
-JD
yeah i agree with you too,traders have the absolute right to refuse a trade or to counter a trade.i just seem to be running into this more and more.it seems like so many more traders are afraid to make good fair trades in the fear that they'll lose out on a grail opportunity.if they live in that fear their going to miss out on a lot of good trades.
my wife likes and collects the smallest "mini" pins. So, there is a first for everything.
Pins I don't have access to are more expensive than I want to pay for them!?
well now i have to be paranoid about how grim got a picture of my hat... ~_~
Ok so my 2 cents on the matter. I still think pin trading is a FUN and exciting hobby. I still get excited when I go to the mail box and see a package. yes we all have slumps, yes it is harder to trade for that "grail" pin, but it would not be as fun or even as popular if these "grail" pins were everywhere! I enjoy the hunt of finding a pin on my wants list, I have no order in which I trade, if I think that trade is a fair one I will trade..if I dont think it's fair I wont. I have sent out countless trades requests and been shot down, but I am still excited when I do get that one out of 300 that accept my trade! This is what it is all about....NOT omg they have a pin I want and they wont trade it.
My motto is simple....
they accept= GREAT
they decline= oh well
they counter= this could happen!
this is supposed to be a fun and exciting hobby....keep it that
EVERYTHING HAS SLUMPS!!!!! when you least expect it you will get that offer for that Grail pin you gave up on! Stop trying to have a baby...then you'll get pregnant!
Enjoy!
Kidup - We are clear I wasn't acting as if I was entitled to French pins, right? Haha I just want to make sure you don't think I'm contributing to the problem. But this turned into a general trade-bish thread, and the topic of DLRP PTN's came up, so I figured I'd throw my hat into the ring.
Also, in choosing my new forum title I didn't intend it to make a rhyming couplet with Grim's. But I do take satisfaction from the fact that our sig titles now make a little song if you read them together to a tune.
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