PinPics - New Format / Big Site Changes!
In short, I agree.I don't want to be involved in the Pinpics conversation whatsoever, but I will say that I'm disappointed that ever since Pinpics was originally sold almost a decade ago, it feels like Pinpics-related threads always end up in a huge fight and our DPF community losing valuable members on both sides of the argument. It's becoming very taboo to talk about Pinpics on this forum, much like you don't talk about religion, politics, or money at the family dinner table.
My humble opinion is that there will never be a resolution to this problem, and both sides have historically been unreasonable in their own ways. MODS, do as you must, but history shows that these threads will always end up being chaotic and messy. What is the value of threads like this? Maybe we should make a subforums with Database Updates where MODS from Pintrading Database and Pinpics and Pin&Pop can share out new features and website changes, but it would merely be informative and not allow for public discourse or responses. There is a time and place for everything, but I think continually allowing for the Pinpics debate to bleed into this forum will ultimately lead to this community continuing to die off. Seeing a dear member like @pretty_Omi being swayed away from this website makes me very sad as a someone who has been here from the very start.
I think my main takeaway to my fellow DPF'ers is as such: Don't like Pinpics or the new owners? Don't use it, don't support it. I have moved away from trading on Pinpics because I can't get on board with the new updates and I rarely get any responses from my trade requests anyways. Doesn't mean that I want to ruin the fun for any other users who support it and find value in it. I understand that there are people here who feel like they have more of a vested interest in it because they uploaded their own photos or contributed what they consider their own "intellectual property"... if you are that worked up about it, start a class action lawsuit over it... but to continuously vent about it on the forum definitely feels like banging your head against the wall over and over and over again... Pin trading is still very much in it's infancy, and although we want things to stay the same forever and change is sometimes scary, there is a plethora of new websites that you can use and support to get your pin trading fix or to utilize their database. While I no longer use Pinpics for trading (I still use the database), I have been immersed in Pin&Pop lately and am really enjoying it. In 5 years that may completely change and I may start to utilize a new trading website... the fact of the matter is that you have to move forward and try not to dwell too much on "what used to be" or you will end up stuck in the past. We have no control over what the Pinpics owners have done to the website over the last decade, and anyone who feels like they deserved any sort of input or control should have filed a class action lawsuit by now. Otherwise what's the point of screaming at a computer screen about things you have no control over?
Our little DPF community is slowly dying and our long-term members are quickly disappearing and threads like this DO NOT help our longevity. This is by no means trying to "shut anyone up" on either side of the argument. But alas, this argument has been happening for 10 years now and it always ends up like this. It's getting tired and stale to outsiders who do not want to engage with this kind of drama on a forum that is supposed to represent the Disney Magic of pin trading.
*END OF RANT*
Kind of aside/unrelated to this thread but…CONGRATULATIONS on your new born!!Popping in here as this has been brought to my attention — with my wife and I having our first born this weekend,
Congratulations on your first bundle of joy and future DPFer!!Popping in here as this has been brought to my attention — with my wife and I having our first born this weekend, please excuse my tardiness, as I will be catching up as (and if) I can during the coming days. I'll work my way through it and respond to things that make sense.
In short, I agree.
I have always felt like there is space for everyone, so I never understood the tribalism; I've felt like both "groups" (?) can coexist, especially since PinPics was/is offering a service we could not/did not want to. Granted, PinPics does now offer a forum, so there's some overlap there.
Since its inception, DPF has been more "hands-off" in terms of moderation, knowing the time from before where most back then were heavily-moderated. We trusted that differences could be settled (in public or private) and that adults would/could be adults about most things. Admittedly, I have not been around much, except to basically keep the lights on and have trusted in the small volunteer team to keep things in order -- again, under the directive that only the most egregious offenses should be handled.
Truthfully, the site is (and has been) a money sink; we are not, and have (afaik) never been monetized — we're not sponsored, don't run ads/affiliate linking, don't offer subscriptions, or anything of the sort. My commitment to this was because there has been a wealth of information posted here over the last decade that may still be relevant today. If we had to go away, all of that would have to go away with it; so even though keeping the lights on has been coming out of my own pocket, I can't really see myself letting all of the useful info here go away. I have brought it up monetization/fundraising to the team, but haven't had a chance to really sit down and think about it with big life changes going on at the moment. It's something that we will need to think about if I intend to keep things afloat.
Going forward — if things can please stay civil, we can continue to allow healthy discussion about almost anything. If things continue to degenerate into threads where people either no longer feel safe/welcomed, then we will need to be more heavy-handed in order to keep things in line. I'd really appreciate it if the staff didn't need to comb over every post and we could remain mostly self-governed.
If you feel like something is out of line, report the post — it goes into the moderator forum where it can be reviewed and discussed by the team.
I'm sure there can exist a balance where the team is a little more hands-on and proactive, but the traffic (at least, until recently, it appears) doesn't seem to warrant it. And again, everyone has volunteered — my hesitation with increasing the size of the team over the years has been because there isn't too much to do to keep things in line, and I didn't want there to be more active staff than there are contributing members.
Kind of aside/unrelated to this thread but…CONGRATULATIONS on your new born!!
certainly looking forward to her first trip to DLR. Even though I don't trade/am not involved anymore, maybe she can pick it upCongratulations on your first bundle of joy and future DPFer!!
Such an exciting time for you and your family.
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Congrats on your first sweet baby. You should definitely teach her to trade in the parks. My kids still love it and they'recertainly looking forward to her first trip to DLR. Even though I don't trade/am not involved anymore, maybe she can pick it up
They grow up way too fast.Congrats on your first sweet baby. You should definitely teach her to trade in the parks. My kids still love it and they're
old now.
Congratulations on your new little one. Sleep as much as you can now!!Popping in here as this has been brought to my attention — with my wife and I having our first born this weekend, please excuse my tardiness, as I will be catching up as (and if) I can during the coming days. I'll work my way through it and respond to things that make sense.
In short, I agree.
I have always felt like there is space for everyone, so I never understood the tribalism; I've felt like both "groups" (?) can coexist, especially since PinPics was/is offering a service we could not/did not want to. Granted, PinPics does now offer a forum, so there's some overlap there.
Since its inception, DPF has been more "hands-off" in terms of moderation, knowing the time from before where most back then were heavily-moderated. We trusted that differences could be settled (in public or private) and that adults would/could be adults about most things. Admittedly, I have not been around much, except to basically keep the lights on and have trusted in the small volunteer team to keep things in order -- again, under the directive that only the most egregious offenses should be handled.
Truthfully, the site is (and has been) a money sink; we are not, and have (afaik) never been monetized — we're not sponsored, don't run ads/affiliate linking, don't offer subscriptions, or anything of the sort. My commitment to this was because there has been a wealth of information posted here over the last decade that may still be relevant today. If we had to go away, all of that would have to go away with it; so even though keeping the lights on has been coming out of my own pocket, I can't really see myself letting all of the useful info here go away. I have brought it up monetization/fundraising to the team, but haven't had a chance to really sit down and think about it with big life changes going on at the moment. It's something that we will need to think about if I intend to keep things afloat.
Going forward — if things can please stay civil, we can continue to allow healthy discussion about almost anything. If things continue to degenerate into threads where people either no longer feel safe/welcomed, then we will need to be more heavy-handed in order to keep things in line. I'd really appreciate it if the staff didn't need to comb over every post and we could remain mostly self-governed.
If you feel like something is out of line, report the post — it goes into the moderator forum where it can be reviewed and discussed by the team.
I'm sure there can exist a balance where the team is a little more hands-on and proactive, but the traffic (at least, until recently, it appears) doesn't seem to warrant it. And again, everyone has volunteered — my hesitation with increasing the size of the team over the years has been because there isn't too much to do to keep things in line, and I didn't want there to be more active staff than there are contributing members.
Better yet, just start weaning yourself off sleep now.Congratulations on your new little one. Sleep as much as you can now!!
Congrats on your first sweet baby. You should definitely teach her to trade in the parks. My kids still love it and they're
old now.
They grow up way too fast.
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Congratulations on your new little one. Sleep as much as you can now!!
Thank you allBetter yet, just start weaning yourself off sleep now.
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Thank you for being open and honest about how you feel about the feedback offered so far. I'm sorry that the negativity makes it hard for you to see the diamond in the rough. If I'm misinterpreting your thoughts, please let me know.We were trying to listen and get feedback between all of the negativity being slung at us. So I have not been back on the forum since. There wasn’t anything constructive coming out of it all.
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So go to PinPics | Free Disney Pin Trading Database and choose Login in the Header. You will see in red type the Reset PW info.
Maybe we should make a subforums with Database Updates where MODS from Pintrading Database and Pinpics and Pin&Pop can share out new features and website changes, but it would merely be informative and not allow for public discourse or responses.
Actually that's exactly what you're calling for.This is by no means trying to "shut anyone up" on either side of the argument.
message me at molly@pinpics and I will help you!Well, I was already logged in, that link isn't accessible when you are already logged in...
Is that the only way to change the password? I don't need to 'reset it', I just wanted to change it... Most forums have an option to change the password in your account settings after you have logged in, that's what I was looking for...
But, yeah, I guess using the 'Forgot your password' link works also...
This is only the beginning, not the end. A lot of work already has been done behind the scenes, and that has only scratched the proverbial surface of what is to come.I think a creative solution might have been possible. But Ci La Vie, as it is not what was done.
Thank you so much TiggerSue!Wow! Over 100 posts since #386! Lots said with lots of emotions and points of view. I've been trying to keep up but, it's been difficult to slog thru all the technical talk AND all the animosity.
One thing, in my opinion, to remember. Figgy and Britt (original creators with DizPins) had a choice - to sell or SHUT THE SITE DOWN.
Once sold, PinPics became a commodity and NO LONGER a community.
Were the next 2 (?) owners good? No. Is that the current owner's (Molly & Joe) fault? NO!
There seems to be some long brewing hostilities towards ANY successive owner of PinPics. This is both illogical and non-productive.
If you no longer want to contribute info to PinPics, fine but, STOP "bashing" the ONLY people with the guts and willingness to spend their own money to keep the database going!!!!
I appreciate the fact that the site has been sold to people who want to keep it going despite the push back from a small, vocal group of "naysayers" who believe they were "wronged" when PinPics became a commodity (oh sooooo long ago).
I look forward, since looking back is useless, to what the new owners can do for the physical PinPics site and what they can bring to the Pin Trading Community.
@MollyAnne
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