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Valuing Pins by EvilBay Prices

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Valuing Pins by EvilBay Prices

IsaacandAmanda

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I was trading in the park yesterday, and I over heard every pin trader there that they reference the bay when trading pins. Some said they should always use the bay otherwise they don't trade. To me the bay is so biased and can be misleading. So the question I have, Do you use the bay when trading or even selling? Do you not? What do you think of people who use the secondary market site as a reference to value of these expensive colored pieces of metal?
 
Yes and at the same time a resounding NO.

Yes, I will reference Ebay occationally to get a bead on weather or not a pin is reselling at, above, or below it's original retail price. I will even use it sometimes to see what a pin I know nothing about MIGHT be worth. But to be honest, I don't trade much in the really "high end" pins.

Heres the thing. Many of the traders out there are refurring to the current offering prices of pins. not the actual sold prices.

As an example,
There is a pin on ebay its current list Starting bid is $23.99. and it has a BIN of $32.99.... Some traders use those prices as their guide to what the pin is worth.

Well, in reality, the last 5 times the pin was listed in the past 3 months:: 2x it didn't sell at all, and the other 3x it sold for under $10.00.... This is the price I use to determine monetary value.

Ebay prices fluctuate based on current trend to much to be dependable in the long run. Staying power. Pins that sell for double their original retail value 5-10 years after they were sold are stable. The pins that are brand new, and "hot ticket" will stablize to a more realistic price at a later date.

I still decide a trade based on edition size, trades VS wants and occationally original retail.
 
If you do use it, you want to use the average sold price over a period of time (not just the highest selling price)
 
I think eBay values do play an important role in pin trading but as previous posters have said, eBay value should be based upon an average of actual selling prices of the pin. There are all kinds of listings asking very very inflated Buy It Now prices that wind up not selling. A pin is only worth what someone is willing to actually PAY for it not what people ASK for it.

That said, it is kind of shady when someone wants to trade their LE1000 pin for another LE1000 pin and wants to use eBay value for their pin but retail price on your pin.
 
to me Ebay values VARY like the stock market values vary...and that must be considered! I still prefer retail price b/c of this variance.
 
That said, it is kind of shady when someone wants to trade their LE1000 pin for another LE1000 pin and wants to use eBay value for their pin but retail price on your pin.

+100!!!

Highly annoying, and I know for a fact that there are traders at DLR LGM tables who do exactly that. I just don't deal with them anymore. Even more fun are the ones who try to tell you a Ebay price like its reality when the pin has NEVER sold for that amount, or even been offereed for that amount, it is just a number they "pulled out of their butts." Thats awesome.... just awesome.:suspect:
 
Ebay can be used as a reference, but ensure you check the completed+sold listings, not the active ones.
Personally I use my own judgement call - as when I WANT a pin, I'm a very easy trader.
 
I used to use ebay as a guide when I first started,because well I was afraid of making an awful trade . I've since stopped trying to make sure it's is an exact science just kinda how much I want the other pin and how often I'm offered(and what I'm offered) by others for what I have.Some traders I'll ask them what they value their pin at /whats the price on it so I know rather or not to even try. I usually only ask that to people I know well (and they know how dumb I am as to pin values) ,Or people I have a hunch are gunna be really hard traders.
 

Sometimes these amounts they pull out of nowhere are actually true, but the problem they don't realize is:

1) The pin they saw go for so little was a scrapper or worse, counterfeit (yet, I think counterfeits are worse than scrappers though I don't tolerate either)
2) There are some rare pins that sell for shockingly little because it is around a time when many people don't look for pins or a lot of people missed out on that pin. It is just a case of missed opportunity but some people take this "missed opportunity" to believe that nobody in the world wants it.

People will do what they have to to make sure they get the better deal (and by better deal, I mean very unfair one) even if it means lying, cheating, and no, not stealing...but still ripping others off.
 
This gets gone over every couple of months. There is no cut and dry answer...it all depends.

If you're dealing with rack pins or easy-to-get pins, most of the time, secondary value doesn't matter. Just swap them with each other.

But once you get into rare/retired/high-demand pins, the secondary market DOES matter. Simple supply and demand dictates that, with these pins, more people want them than there are quantities of those pins. At that point, it definitely becomes "who wants it more".

As the others have said, though, one should take into account completed listings only, and a good average should always be kept in mind. I know traders who can never accept the reality that their pin has decreased in value- all they seem to remember is that at one time it sold for $300, so it doesn't matter to them that it dropped to $150 in the last few years.

To me, eBay is one of the most reliable sources when dealing with high-end pins. It might fluctuate often, but that's expected. It makes more sense to judge based on what we, the traders/buyers currently want, then something random. Original price is only good with current releases or pins that stay at their original value, and edition sizes are only really good as general ballparks (I've seen OE pins skyrocket in value and LE 100s that people couldn't give away). So supply/demand values and popularity are always the factors I look at the most (as well as how much I personally want and feel about the pin).

It's not about being greedy (at least not for most of us). It's about knowing your options so that you can use your pins most effectively (after all, selling sometimes is a better option when no one wants to trade...you can always buy pins, too). But most of all, it's about being fair to yourself and those you trade with, and protecting yourself from those who want to use you to "level up" their pins at your expense.
 
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:rock: -- couldnt agree more. lol
 

Bingo!
 
I've encountered some of these traders

I see quite a few pin sellers on Ebay, ESPECIALLY with the older PODMs, who price their pins pretty high (because they sold at that price at one point or another) and because the demand has lessened, they now repeatedly never sell and so they just wind up sitting on them and re-listing them over and over again (I've had my eye on a few pins hoping that they might drop the price a wee bit but no luck). I know that it costs money to keep an auction going, even at "Buy It Now" when it expires then to tack another 30 days on. I know that it doesn't cost much but if it were me, I'd lower it just a bit each time because if I wanted to sell it, well, I'd want to SELL it. Not hold onto it forever and keep getting charged Ebay fees and keep re-listing... so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me but then I also see traders going by THOSE values which technically isn't correct since they don't sell.

Anyway, I think most others said it best but if you value pins at Ebay value, you really need to be looking at what it has SOLD for. Not what listed value says it is. I have a pin that seems to be pretty rare and wanted on PinPics and it's currently listed on Ebay for 110 to 200 however when you look at past auctions and what's sold, it only sold for $100 once and multiple other times it has sold for $40 to $50. And see that's the other way people value pins is by PinPics demand or want number.
 
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it's about being fair to yourself and those you trade with, and protecting yourself from those who want to use you to "level up" their pins at your expensive.

Whoops- that's "expense", not "expensive"...heh. I'll just go edit that now...
 

This kills me, too. My favorite thing I've seen is when a Tinker Bell LE 100 sold for, like $60, and someone listed it within 24 hours for something INSANE, like $450. I'm like...you know very, VERY few pins ever go for over $200/300, much less that much. I always have to wonder if they ever actually sell anything...

It's definitely frustrating, though, the folks that just re-list and re-list at insane prices, essentially holding those pins hostage from people who are perfectly willing to pay the real value for them.
 
I know there is one ebay seller who's prices are absolutely insulting, but are also all OBO. I negotiated one thing with them to 50% of their price, which made it reasonable.

So like stated above, only use the recently sold ebay prices. And then you have to include margin of error if there aren't very many.
 
I know there is one ebay seller who's prices are absolutely insulting, but are also all OBO. I negotiated one thing with them to 50% of their price, which made it reasonable.

A lot of people do this because they want the best possible offer they will get. However, the way I see it, putting it out an outrageously high price to begin with might deter some people from even making an offer
 
A lot of people do this because they want the best possible offer they will get. However, the way I see it, putting it out an outrageously high price to begin with might deter some people from even making an offer


It deters me because so often when I make a best offer on something, I try and remain reasonable when asking/offering. I try not to make an offer less than $10.00 in their asking price (So example if someone wants a pin for $60.00 I'll make an offer for $50.00) but at least 3 times with 3 different sellers, the sellers counter offer with prices that is really only $3.00 or $4.00 off their original asking price and that's kinda ... not really worth it to me.
 
I use it for dlrp ptn pins otherwise I am realitvely easy going its about my wants in terms of desireability and sometimes he;ping people out

Jacqui
 
I do look around at eBay, but as everyone else has said, you have to look for what things have ACTUALLY sold for.
 
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