What do you think of the Ebay pricing on the PTN pins?
I have heard that the French are much more organized than we Americans and that they keep their prices competitive with each other to keep the price up. I think it's ridiculous and yes they are overpriced. I think until they sell their pins at a fair price just as we sell ours, that we should stop buying pins from DLRP. The only way to bring the prices back down to something more reasonable is to not buy their pins. Who decided that DLRP pins are better than WDW and DLR pins and that we should pay more for them?
I think eBay prices mean I don't collect those.
I was wondering whatever happened with that. I guess this is why only one new member replied to my request for the DSF Max Schnell pin.For quite a time there, several of us were doing free DSF runs and offering similar services, and really all it accomplished was to kill the demand for those pins and devalue our stuff even further. Combined with the cast members that exploit their discounts and resell things at cost or close to it on eBay, the market for most new stateside releases is pretty devastated. This entire issue is a big reason why people like me stopped acquiring DSF releases for free, en masse, as a service to forum-goers: we were literally just poisoning our own well. So we stopped.
It's totally your prerogative whether you are willing to help. But honestly, it wasn't like it was the Beloved Tales Sleeping Beauty pin or anything. I doubt if anyone here even wanted that pin. So I don't see how it would have devalued your collection. JMHO. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
That depends on whether the person who gets the pin decides to trade it or not. (Though you are correct in my case, Max Schnell was for my collection, not for trade.)-Anyone who gets their LE 150 at cost, is one less person who has to trade someone for that pin. It's one potential trade off the table.
Not necessarily. If I get the Max pin, someone else won't get one. Therefore, that person will add the "W".-Anyone who gets their LE 150 at cost, is one less "W" on Pinpics for that pin, lowering perceived value.
In your first point, you were upset that there would be one less trade... now you are upset that there would be one more trade? I'm confused, but I'll give my thoughts anyway:-Easy access for people who don't even want the pin for their collection, but are instead getting them to trade, means one less "W" and another "T" to boot.
I totally agree with you about most people only wanting pins that are hot. Although for me personally, I don't want pins just because everyone else wants them. I want pins because they have a specific character or design element that I like. In fact, I almost take pride in the fact that I collect lesser-collected themes (although some Pixar movies are more popular than others. Up just happens to be hot right now, but the lower level of popularity for A Bug's Life balances it out. Haha). In fact, I stay away from popular pins such as the DLRP PTNs, because I know that if I had the pin, that would be one less pin available for someone who collects that character.-Low demand begets even lower demand. Rising demand creates a cascade effect, where people want "hot" pins just because they're hot.
That is sad. I think I'm beginning to see a new side to "the spirit of pin trading" as well.There's also the fact that after doing some runs for people, several of us found out we were being slammed behind our backs for devaluing DSF releases. It was harsh, and it certainly wasn't "in the spirit of pin trading" as I'd understood it.
Not to sound entitled or snarky, because I really do mean it when I say that it's your prerogative whether you want to help or not, but... you are standing in line anyway for yourself, right? And I'd be right there in line with you if I didn't just happen to live a thousand miles away.But you know what? In a basic economic sense, those people were right. Easy access to this stuff kills demand and wrecks it for anyone else standing in line on release mornings.
In order for DSF pins to attain value, first they have to acquire a reputation of selling out. Not end up in $4 sale bins. There appears to be a very tiny percentage of people who actually go to the store to buy pins, and if they all say that "I'm not going to pick up any pins for anyone" the first thing you've done is increase the length of time for a pin to sell out, and increase the odds that someone is going to log onto Facebook one morning and see that that pin is $4. In the short term, yeah, more people will get the pin they want decreasing the trades. But then you have a group of people that think attaining a DSF pin is possible. Then, maybe they missed a release, so since it's only one pin, they'll go ahead and pay a markup just to keep up the collection. You start to build an idea that "you don't want to wait on DSF pins because they sell out." There's a reason why the first hit is free.
Obviously, from the OP DLP PTNs didn't start out at $50 per pop and up, they got that way because people got "hooked" and now are desperate. If very few people get "hooked" on DSF pins they won't increase much, no matter how much sellers try to control the supply. Willing buyers/traders have to come first.
People can slam all they want but I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people that were benefitting from their kindness aren't the people that would be willing to pay marked up prices or trade a ton anyways. And if that's true, people providing the service would actually be helping the value because every pin that they get for someone that won't pay/trade high prices is one less pin available to someone that will.
I wonder about the PODM collection in this regard. They are hot now, but how many people are going to find themselves holding onto a bunch of $20 pins that they can't trade next year, when something else is hot. Although, I guess Amanda and Erica can just keep buying them
That depends on whether the person who gets the pin decides to trade it or not. (Though you are correct in my case, Max Schnell was for my collection, not for trade.)
Not necessarily. If I get the Max pin, someone else won't get one. Therefore, that person will add the "W".
In your first point, you were upset that there would be one less trade... now you are upset that there would be one more trade?
Actually, alot of the people I picked up pins for were getting multiples specifically to trade. I didn't question it at the time, because I was just interested in helping people out and saw no harm in it. I didn't really concern myself with what they wanted the pins for, and there was no way to police their intent anyways. Far be it from me to tell people what to do. It's only now that I've become more familiar with certain peoples' collections, that I've realized some of those people asking for two copies of a pin likely had no intent of keeping either of them.But, at least from my point of view, the people "grabbing them to trade" are the people that live in California... not the people on the forum asking them to pick up their favorite character. So getting that pin for them would not create another "T". In fact, it would take one away.
Not to sound entitled or snarky, because I really do mean it when I say that it's your prerogative whether you want to help or not, but... you are standing in line anyway for yourself, right?
Sometimes I get the impression that certain people in the hobby think that you only have a right to pins if you live in California or Florida.
*sigh* yes...I have a problem...
Although, I'm not worried about whether I'll be able to trade them, I'm worried that I won't be able to part with any of them!
....when there's inevitably a Little Mermaid, Lion King, or Beauty and the Beast PODM.....
Tabbi - That generous soul also gets slammed for supposedly "ruining the PODM market," partly by doing such a good job of finding good cells for people here. Kind of unbelievable.
-JD
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