What "Grinds Your Gears" about pin trading/buying/collecting?

[destiny117]

This will get me in trouble, but I don't like the way the people on this forum act so nice when they are posting, and then turn around and do just the opposite of what they preach. It makes me realize how many people are hypocrites in this hobby. This does not apply to everyone obviously. There are still many wonderful people to trade with. This hobby is a social one and trust is a must.

I also hate bleeding with pins and lectures about scrappers, how to trade, and all the rest. I have done fine the past seven years. Trading taught me to trade.

I hate it when newbies claim they can tell a scrapper a mile away, when it is so hard to tell the difference these days on so many pins. And losing pins is scary!

 

[YoSoyAhPuch]

This will get me in trouble, but I don't like the way the people on this forum act so nice when they are posting, and then turn around and do just the opposite of what they preach. It makes me realize how many people are hypocrites in this hobby. This does not apply to everyone obviously. There are still many wonderful people to trade with. This hobby is a social one and trust is a must.

I also hate bleeding with pins and lectures about scrappers, how to trade, and all the rest. I have done fine the past seven years. Trading taught me to trade.

I hate it when newbies claim they can tell a scrapper a mile away, when it is so hard to tell the difference these days on so many pins. And losing pins is scary!

Don't worry, I agree with you on this. Though I will say that for a newbie, the lectures on scrappers can be a good thing, but on trading, now thats something that you should learn through experience.

 

[destiny117]

Hi YoSoyAhPuch,

I am glad you agree. I think I may have not written it clearly, but when talking about lectures about scrappers, I was talking about myself directly. I am not referring to posts letting newbies know about scrappers and comparisons of pins. I think we all need pin comparisons and warnings when new pins are scrapped. I was referring to the fact that people that are new are trying to constantly tell me about the scrappers out there, as if I did not know this. Worst yet, they are experts on it, even when I am telling them that I have both the scrapper and the real pin of certain pins side by side to show others the difference. They will then look at the two pins and try to tell me I am wrong after I have had these pins to show others for years, not to mention the fact that the real pin was bought straight from Disney. This is what bothers me.

 

[creativextremeties]

not to mention that some scrappers look better than the real ones at times... :/ ...I've even kept a few lol

 

[KT07]

This will get me in trouble, but I don't like the way the people on this forum act so nice when they are posting, and then turn around and do just the opposite of what they preach. It makes me realize how many people are hypocrites in this hobby. This does not apply to everyone obviously. There are still many wonderful people to trade with. This hobby is a social one and trust is a must.

+1+1+1 i love how nice u wrote that. I wish ppl were not 2 faced too..but sounds better how u put it...more pc.... I also wish that ppl any any hobby would do there best to follow the rules. It seems cute to me how in any hobby ppl will bend or out right brake the rules. Ppl do it for diffrent reasons and in diffrent ways... But in the end its still wrong and hurts the hobby...

PS. There was a post about ticket scalping..and how that was ok just like selling lots of pins and what not... YES there is scalpers...and they are the sharks of ticket sells...AND not that we dont know this..BUT in many states....Scalping will get u a free night in jail... So where sumone would think thats a good way to say look..its ok...is crazy to me..

ps...sorry if i ever go on and on about fakes..im sure if its me talking a lot..its cuz sumone asked for help. i dont
know all there is about fakes...But have tried to learn from Geoff and Dan and other members....So i like to
help if and when i can..

 

[swim2sea]

The question was (just to remind everyone) What "Grinds Your Gears" about pin trading/buying/collecting?


So, my beef about pin trading is when people don't respond to your request for a trade or give you a rude answer. How are you ever going to trade if you don't ask??? Never figured that one out.

Buying - it irks the heck out of me when sellers try to make a killing on every single sale. Doubling your money with any product should be more than enough. Greed is the root of all evil.

Collecting - drives me nuts since I'm so anal about things. I need one pin in the set and darned if I don't have to buy the whole set (or series). Then I can't seem to part with anything once it goes into my collection. I've got to learn to let them go and find new homes

Other than that I love the hobby. I don't let what people say effect what I say or do and I'm fairly easy to work with on pin things. I love to frame my pins and I truly enjoy looking at them. And that's my nickels worth!

 

[tinkerbelle1956]

I agree with nurse , The sharks that go in the parks and get every HM they can leaving scrappers on the lanyards .

 

[destiny117]

KT07 said,

ps...sorry if i ever go on and on about fakes..im sure if its me talking a lot..its cuz sumone asked for help. i dont know all there is about fakes...But have tried to learn from Geoff and Dan and other members....So i like
to help if and when i can..

You never go on and on about anything and are a very nice person here on the forum. Talking about scrappers is necessary in order to help all of us. I have to learn the differences between a real pin and a scrapper too, especially when we are talking about newly released pins. When you are on a forum like this, you can skip a thread or post you are not interested in, meaning anything you think is repetitious, but when you are trading in person and a person is arguing with you about a scrapper that came out three years before they even started collecting pins, that is when it gets annoying, especially when you have spent years with the scrapper and real pin side by side in order to illustrate the difference.

KT07 said,

+1+1+1 i love how nice u wrote that. I wish ppl were not 2 faced too..but sounds better how u put it...more pc.... I also wish that ppl any any hobby would do there best to follow the rules. It seems cute to me how in any hobby ppl will bend or out right brake the rules. Ppl do it for diffrent reasons and in diffrent ways... But in the end its still wrong and hurts the hobby...

I totally agree with you and it is sad to scare new traders away, because of these two faced people taking advantage when they can. I can honestly say that if things had been the way they are 7 years ago when I started trading, I would have probably given up. I am not saying that selfish people were not around then, because I got taken plenty, but people were more respectful then. I kept thinking I had found such a nice class of people in pin traders. I am also not saying that everyone was trustworthy, but they were a lot better than they are now. And you are so right. It is ruining our hobby and I wish we could stop them somehow, but do not have a clue where to begin to do this.

 

[RaChEltheRabidRabbit]

What "Grinds my Gears" about the hobby is this -

1.) People buying more than 2 Limited Edition pins per person at the parks from the same one location. It is also the Cast Member's fault when and if this happens as they are breaking the rules too by selling the customer that many pins.

2.) Terrible and totally unfair pin trade requests. I know I may get yelled at for this but, maybe the reason people respond back rudely is because the request(s) they were sent were extremely unfair and the sender should've known this in the first place.

3.) When others try to get more than what their pin is really worth, whether it is money or pins. I guess those are the people that are called "Sharks".

 

[Phoenix]

What grinds my gears is seeing someone you recognize trade with a cast member and then when you get to said CM to look at their pins see that the one they just received is a horribly bordered fake. Then a week later seeing said trader selling pins on the bay guaranteeing authenticity of pins with lines in the sales thread that tell you to say no to scrappers and counterfeits.

Maybe it's just me, but that screams of buying fake lots on the bay for cheap, trading them for real pins on CM lanyards and then selling real pins for a profit.
A new species has been discovered: the Hemigaleidae Hemipristis hypocrita.

Not to offend any scientists, but roughly translated this would be the Hypocritical Snaggletooth Weasel Shark.

 

[destiny117]

Phoenix, it looks like we have a lot of Hemigaleidae Hemipristis hypocrita. That is exactly one of the points I was trying to make about this hobby having too many hypocrites. I hate it when that happens too, and it is that greed that is killing this hobby we all love, or should I say loved for some?

 

[mom24k9s]

A new species has been discovered: the Hemigaleidae Hemipristis hypocrita.

Not to offend any scientists, but roughly translated this would be the Hypocritical Snaggletooth Weasel Shark.

Someone needs to contact Discovery channel! I want to see a Shark Week special!

 

[markheardjr]

Had to find this thread to add a rant. During a recent trip to DLR I witnessed a shark trader over at Westward Ho Trading on a walkie-talkie to his guppy daughter who was running around the parks and radio-ing back what pins she had found. He would tell her if it was a good pin or not and whether he wanted it. Is that what pin trading has come to at DLR? Geez. I wish I would have started trading on Day 1 of our trip to WDW and not day 4. I've only been trading for 4 months now and to see that sort of behavior is a turn off to the hobby!

 

[RiftRaftStreetRat]

Had to find this thread to add a rant. During a recent trip to DLR I witnessed a shark trader over at Westward Ho Trading on a walkie-talkie to his guppy daughter who was running around the parks and radio-ing back what pins she had found. He would tell her if it was a good pin or not and whether he wanted it. Is that what pin trading has come to at DLR? Geez. I wish I would have started trading on Day 1 of our trip to WDW and not day 4. I've only been trading for 4 months now and to see that sort of behavior is a turn off to the hobby!

SERIOUSLY!? That sounds almost insane! I know I've gotten something off the kiddie lanyard by having my little sister trade it for me (and then i bought her a pin or gave her one of my pins), but if I've done it if we're TOGETHER ._. Not sent her off on a mission or anything.

EDIT: I guess I should also say what grinds my gears is when traders with really nice pins are rude to children repeating, "don't touch them, only touch the page" five times :|

 

[TheHapaOne]

Things that really annoy me: Unfair traders, Sharks, People that flip though my book without being careful, and the lack of wave 2 hidden mickeys out right now

I have first hand experience with the sharks and unfair traders as I just started trading this year and when I first began I got ripped off several times looking back on it now, but oh well I have learned and now know what a pin is worth vs another one

 

[RaChEltheRabidRabbit]

SERIOUSLY!? That sounds almost insane! I know I've gotten something off the kiddie lanyard by having my little sister trade it for me (and then i bought her a pin or gave her one of my pins), but if I've done it if we're TOGETHER ._. Not sent her off on a mission or anything.

EDIT: I guess I should also say what grinds my gears is when traders with really nice pins are rude to children repeating, "don't touch them, only touch the page" five times :|

I don't mean to be rude but sometimes children (and a lot of times they don't have to be or aren't children) are not careful with other's belongings so they need to be told. Last year at the big WDW Pin Event a little girl grabbed a paper "Map" for a NBC pin collection of mine and it got bent and crunched up and I took it away from her because her mother wasn't doing anything about it and gave me a mean look after doing it but what does she expect? Her daughter was destroying something of mine.

 

[RiftRaftStreetRat]

I don't mean to be rude but sometimes children (and a lot of times they don't have to be or aren't children) are not careful with other's belongings so they need to be told. Last year at the big WDW Pin Event a little girl grabbed a paper "Map" for a NBC pin collection of mine and it got bent and crunched up and I took it away from her because her mother wasn't doing anything about it and gave me a mean look after doing it but what does she expect? Her daughter was destroying something of mine.

I guess it can be understandable, but it's been a few times where we haven't touched anything and my sister gets told a few times :\ I guess it's a precautionary warning, but at some point I just wanna say "chill. I'm watching her" to some people.

 

[simonandwendy626]

Someone needs to contact Discovery channel! I want to see a Shark Week special!

Oh that made me laugh

 

[LadyArmonua]

Collecting - drives me nuts since I'm so anal about things. I need one pin in the set and darned if I don't have to buy the whole set (or series). Then I can't seem to part with anything once it goes into my collection.

Gah, I have the same problem. >_< It's so hard to let go of a pin of a character I'm not that attached to only because it's part of a series I have. Just have to keep reminding myself I'm trading what I don't want for what I do.

To answer the thread question, though, the only things that bothers me so badly really are one, the overwhelming amount of price gauging for products that might not be worth it and, two, the lack of education about the products. My partner is just getting into the pin hobby, too, and she worries about collecting anything that might be a GWP or a PWP because it might not be worth anything in the long run. I personally don't care much about pin value as much as I care about quality but I can see her point. She needs to learn that just because a pin comes free with a purchase doesn't mean it isn't valuable, like the sparkly Tinker Bell from Japan, which is an LE200, I think.

 

[pinnochiolover]

Originally posted by LadyArmonua: My partner is just getting into the pin hobby, too, and she worries about collecting anything that might be a GWP or a PWP because it might not be worth anything in the long run. I personally don't care much about pin value as much as I care about quality but I can see her point. She needs to learn that just because a pin comes free with a purchase doesn't mean it isn't valuable, like the sparkly Tinker Bell from Japan, which is an LE200, I think

Your mention of GWP and PWP pins has reminded me of what "grinds my gears". There are some great PWP and GWP pins out there, in the past I have traded open editions and limited editions to get them. However, I have noticed that no-one seems to want to trade for them, even if they have a high wants ratio. I have frequently been told by other traders to make a further offer, as long as I don't offer PWP or GWP pins. I myself am starting to avoid this type of pin now, as I worry that I will be stuck with them.

Let's remember, that individuals put in time and effort to get these pins by attending a venue or by making a purchase. So they werent necessarily free or worthless.

 

[erudolf]

The GWP thing reminds me of an encounter I had at WDW DTD once....this guy tried to tell me that his GWP pin was a $30 pin because he had to spend $30 to get it...I just stood there thinking ok....so does all the other stuff you got for that $30 come with this GWP pin? I couldn't believe he tried to sell that story.

There was also another guy that tried to tell me that some LE 1000 Haunted Mansion pins he had were actually LE 700 because 300 of them were used for the framed sets...I just said yeah, ok, and moved on.

 

[Trade Winds Pins]

It is also the Cast Member's fault when and if this happens as they are breaking the rules too by selling the customer that many pins.

Unless you mean a CM allowing to buy more than two LE pins at ONE store at a time, it's NOT the CM's fault and they're not breaking the rules. If someone buys two LE pins at one store (say, with cash) and then goes to another and buys two more, and on and on, there's no way for the CMs or anyone at Disney to track it (unless it's a wristband event).

 

[briarrose461]

I guess it can be understandable, but it's been a few times where we haven't touched anything and my sister gets told a few times :\ I guess it's a precautionary warning, but at some point I just wanna say "chill. I'm watching her" to some people.

It amazes me how different a child's behavior can be depending on the parent. Some are so respectful and polite. I LOVE to trade with them. Others walk up with a feeling of entitlement and start throwing your book around, grabbing pins saying "I want, I want." And the parents either have their back turned or stand there accepting and sometimes encouraging the poor behavior. I never give "precautionary warnings" but there are times you have to step in when the parent wont. Or can't because they aren't there. I wish I could say that most fell into the first category. I find it sad that they don't. (And that actually has nothing to do with pin trading.)

 

[RaChEltheRabidRabbit]

Unless you mean a CM allowing to buy more than two LE pins at ONE store at a time, it's NOT the CM's fault and they're not breaking the rules. If someone buys two LE pins at one store (say, with cash) and then goes to another and buys two more, and on and on, there's no way for the CMs or anyone at Disney to track it (unless it's a wristband event).

The CM allowed a customer to buy over 30 LE pins of the same pin (it was the POMH Peter Pan) at the ONE store. So yes, the CM is breaking the rules.

 

[KT07]

The CM allowed a customer to buy over 30 LE pins of the same pin (it was the POMH Peter Pan) at the ONE store. So yes, the CM is breaking the rules.

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 both ppl are wrong... and even more sad...(also pan pin ) i was told outside WH that 2 guys got around 50 each..and one peason got the 30+... they didnt know the true number but much more than 2 each thats 4 sure.. 130+ pins all 2 just 3 ppl.. makes me think of that S word ppl dont like..