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2013 Fairytale Designer Collection

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2013 Fairytale Designer Collection
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Meawhite said:
It is strange that a boy with dolls was easier for your Mom than you having ethnic dolls.
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Welllll.... I did leave out the part of the story where she took me to a child psychologist to see what was "wrong" with me. I was lucky she didn't take me to some hack!

Anyway, I'm getting wayyyyy off topic here. Sorry about that.

As much as I'd like to see some of the other princesses make it into the fairytail collection, I'd also like to see an original idea. People have brought up the heroes and heroines line, which would be nice. My only concern with doing new characters is that DS sometimes takes a few attempts to get a doll looking right. I think the molds on these princesses are much nicer than the last designer line, so in a way I'd be nervous if they did characters like Meg or Esmeralda. I'd love to see them, but only if they look really good.

Sigh, not that I wouldn't buy them either way.
 
Totally missed the pins. Well you know how it goes, you order, think you got them, then pow! Sucker punched and told, sorry no longer available. OIY!

Thinking about the dolls but no where to really put them. It's sad.

I know that the Snow White was online for a while and then so was the Rapunzel one. There was even a store here that had Snow White a couple of weeks ago. I am sure they are gone now though.

Wishing my order for the pins had gone through, so much easier to store them. :-(

Vicki
 
My store still has both Snow and Rapunzel available. But only one Snow and three Rapunzels. They said someone is coming in to get two Rapunzels today and might buy Snow too.


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I really wished they would have released the journals, mugs, pins etc when the dolls were released instead of all at once. Im not sure I want any of them but they are getting hard to find, and super highly priced on ebay. This is probably a weird point to make...but I never really think about Jasmine because to me the movie was all about Aladdin. It was really his story. Im just not a huge fan of that movie. I was SO happy when they came out with Tiana because there hadn't been a princess of color like her, I thought it was such an awesome move for Disney, so I don't think they will cut her out completely. HOWEVER, I didn't like that movie at all. I thought it looked cheaply made.
 
Yep, Rapunzel is sold out, whenever that message pops up it means the item is no longer available. So she is officially sold out as of today online, it only took 6 days!!!

And about the whole ethnic thing, I think there is one thing that hasn't been considered. It is usually easier for Disney to make films with princesses from a European backgrounds then it is for different ethnic backgrounds. Pocahontas, Mulan, Aladdin, and even Princess and the Frog received a great deal of backlash from the communities. Pocahontas was part of the Powhatan tribe which is still here today. They were outraged by Disney making this film about their ancestor and the fact that the story was horribly inaccurate. John Smith was not liked by the Powhatan tribe and it is even said the Pocahontas hated John Smith. She did all in love and married an English man but it was John Rolfe (which I believe that is who she married in the second film.....). Mulan was similar. When Mulan was released in China they were furious, because in the original story Mulan dies for her country. They were upset that she was given a high honor and lived in the Disney version. Aladdin was hit by the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and Disney was forced to change some things in the movie. The Prince and the Frog was probably the least hit, mostly because a Christian group was upset about the Voodoo scenes...

Not that I'm saying that these communities shouldn't be upset because I think they have every right to be. I am half Native American myself and I am conflicted with how Pocahontas was represented in the Disney film. So if they were to make a Designer Fairytale couple of her with John Smith I would probably not buy it.

Anyway, my main point is that it probably cost Disney MORE money to make the films with ethnic princesses because of the lawsuits they receive for them being inaccurate. However, that is not the case with the European based princesses (as far as I know). However, Disney could avoid spending MORE money on these films if they were just to get a CULTURAL advisor for the film they want to create. It is way cheaper to do and it makes the community happy as well.
 
Yeah, that may be part of the reason why Disney may shy away from doing ethnic princesses, They received a lot of backlash from them. (Tiana was originally going to be named Maddy and work as a chambermaid which didn't go over very well, resulting with her name being Tiana) But despite that, I think they deserve the same attention as all the other European princesses too.

In other news, I think my chances of getting Belle and the surprise releases may be slim. Belle's merchandise is almost sold out except for 2 mugs (Bought one) and a journal and the store may not be receiving the surprise releases.
 
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disneykid85: Which surprise releases are you referring to? Ursula and Eric? Or the possible LE Frozen dolls? If you go the day Belle is released you should be able to get the doll at least. What I usually do is take a couple friends with me. If they get called before me I give them the money to purchase my doll and then I just throw away my raffle ticket. I call them my D-Men! LOL (I'm also a marvel nerd!)
 
Love it lol! Same here! I'll do that approach for Belle. Eric and Ursula may be a bit difficult. I'll try one more store nearby, otherwise I'll just take my chances online. I'm looking forward to the Frozen stuff!
 
Regarding non European princess's that's a good point. After reading your post it made me want to go and read the true story's of Pocahontas and Mulan, very interesting! Question seen as Pocahontas actually didnt marry john smith but married John Rolfe, is the second movie worth watching? I have read about it and its sounds interesting but it has terrible reviews:/ Also I know disney doesn't do dolls of sequels but would anyone like a Pocahontas in her dress from the second movie or a dress based upon the time she actually lived? Would give some variety to her one dress lol and could look nice!

Back on topic, I actually thought Rapunzel would sell quicker and sell faster than belle! I'm so excited for Ariel and Eric I want them now ... Do you think as long as I order her as soon as she's up then I should get her right? What's the quickest a designer doll has sold out in?
 
About the backlash, I do wish they would do more ethnic fairy tales rather than choose historical figures. That could help dissuade the backlash a little.
 
RapunzelSalat said:
About the backlash, I do wish they would do more ethnic fairy tales rather than choose historical figures. That could help dissuade the backlash a little.
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I completely agree. Part of the problem with a Disney Fairytale is that it should have that happy ending. A dead Mulan would be hard for little girls to understand. I also won't let my girls watch the second Pocahontas because they don't understand falling in love with two different men as the movies suggest. Disney is suppose to keep that wonder, innocence, and sense of good over evil alive. If they created brand new movies with ethnic princesses without historical ties, they would be free to create interesting story lines without limitations. That would really cut down on any backlash from ethnic groups. Maybe they should look into less explored but interesting cultures like Morocco, New Zealand, or the Pacific Islands. I would love cultural diversity without the baggage of all this race related stuff.
 
It is true, Disney might get less backlash if they didn't use historical figure BUT they probably still would. It really depends on how the portray the culture in the movie. If it is completely off then of course people are going to be upset (and I can't blame them). However, there are many people of several cultures who love Disney and would be even willing to work with Disney to make sure the films are more accurate. I hope that Disney does head that route eventually, it would be awesome to have a set a princesses from around the world!

Matthewlondon: I think if you order the day of release right when they are released it shouldn't be a problem to get them. The fastest I've heard of is the dolls selling out is in 2 hours, for this sized edition. I think if you were going to the store it might be more difficult.
 
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Lol I was about to bring up the frog thing about Tiana and Naveen. Imagine froggie designer dolls!
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Hmm, but what if Disney produced a set with Tiana in her white beaded gown from “Almost There†(or even better, really bend the rules and put her in a period “Flapper†dress!) Stick Naveen in his white tux from the end of the film and you’re all set! Disney would never do it as it always seems to be about the “prom gown†look, but I know I’d buy the pair!
 

With the 2011 Designer Princess Dolls, Dollmageddon day was the worst. With the website constantly crashing, the first dolls (Designer Aurora and Designer Rapunzel) sold out within about 1 hour and 30 minutes or less. My order which managed to get both has a time stamp of 10:18:58 am Pacific Time. They were available for purchase starting at 9:00 am Pacific time, which reflects how long it took to get that one order in with the website crashes. They were announced as sold out minutes later. Designer Snow White sold out in about as much time with some website issues as well. The dolls were LE 6000 or LE 4000 on those days, depending on the Designer princess.

For my 2-cents on the ethnic princess issue: it is no secret that most of the princesses are just put where their stories are set, including two of the ethnic princesses: Pocahontas in early 17th century Virginia and Mulan in imperial China. Likewise, Snow White, Cinderella, Aurora, Ariel, Belle, and Rapunzel, as well as Anna and Elsa are all set in the European settings where the versions of the stories that the Disney Animation Studios are borrowing the tales originate. Merida was conceived of as a Scottish princess, so there is not much one can say about that.

Jasmine is set in a fantasy sultanate, but based on Les Milles et Une Nuits by translator Antoine Galland who reportedly gathered the tales from Syria (though the tales are even older than that), the events of Aladdin's story take place in China, though there are a lot of Muslim characters in the tale and Aladdin's own name is in Arabic. Also The Thousand and One Nights almost automatically makes one think of the Middle East. So in Jasmine's case, there are enough loopholes to put her in a mythical Arabian land, which is what they did.

Tiana is the only Disney Princess where a very specific agenda was made to provide a Disney African American Princess. I never read the novel The Frog Princess by E.D. Baker, but based on brief book synopses, not only is The Princess and the Frog very, very loosely based on that retelling, but it is not set in New Orleans, Louisiana and I have no idea if ethnicity is actually even addressed (the princess' name is Esmeralda/"Emma" and the prince is Jorge-which are Spanish names). If anyone has actually read this book, please let us know. So, Tiana being African American is where we can say that Disney was truly trying to be more inclusive ethnically and racially, because the Grimm's Tale of "The Frog Prince" could very well have easily been set in Europe again, but then again Tiana is not a spoiled princess who loses her golden ball down a well and promises to take the frog into the palace with her if he retrieved it.

As for the backlash in recent times (re: the past 20 or so years), there are always going to be nay-sayers and when it comes down to it, you just can't make everyone happy. I remember reading in the newspapers about the offensive line in 'Arabian Nights' and its consequent removal, about Pocahontas being too Barbie-statuesque and the way Disney glosses over the mistreatment of the Native Americans by the British, about Mulan being too generic-Asian, etc. I think that all of the Disney Princesses (and Disney heroes and heroines for that matter) have great merits that should be celebrated and enjoyed. When it comes to long-term Disney Marketing, however, it is all about who and what they think will sell more. That is why we do not see much new merchandise for Hercules or The Hunchback of Notre Dame, but we also do not see much (or any) new merchandise for Tarzan, The Sword in the Stone, Robin Hood, The Fox and the Hound, among many other Disney films.

Do I think that the ethnic princesses take a back seat to the 'European' princesses? Yes, I do. But the big marketing powerhouses: Cinderella, Rapunzel, and Belle, and as well as Snow White and Aurora, have stories that are very firmly grounded in the American culture as stories that we (and the masterminds behind the scenes at the Disney Store) grew up with. The Disney company is an American company after all. Ariel is a mermaid, and everyone loves mermaids!
 
I just have to say "WOW!" I love you for all of this. Very thorough and makes so much sense.
 
With the selling out of Rapunzel and Eugene.....now I am more worried about getting Ariel/Eric. I'm taking more people with me to the store as my D-men team to get her but still.....do you guys think the stores will be crazy when she is released??
 

Mulan doesn't die in the poem... She comes home and lives her life. Also, Pocahontas NEVER falls for John Smith. She was all of 10 when she would have met him. He would have been in his 30s. You also cannot even claim she loved John Rolfe. That marriage was political. Also, Disney never could have made a movie based on Pocahontas' actual life. She was a prisoner of the British and ended up dying in England because of a disease. There is no romance in her interactions with the British. They mistreat her.
 

I know there's been plenty of backlash against Frozen for being set in Scandinavia(Primarily Norway), and how the princesses are white again. Being that they are Scandinavian, I can finally say that there is a Princess LIKE ME.
 
No do not watch the sequel, it spoils the original! And they did give Pocahontas two dresses from her sequel in the fashion pack a year or so back, so that was nice! The only thing good about the sequel is the new outfits and a catchy song. Other than that...blegh!
 
I've been reading these comments *off topic to this particular thread as they may be* and I just wanted to chime in.
I am a gay half a whole-lot-of-different white and half a whole-lot-of-different brown. Growing up I loved me my Belle and Beast. "Grown up", Tiana and Naveen have my heart. But um...the Queen and Maleficent put everyone to shame. Juss sayin. When it comes to the princesses, I'm pretty sure I'm not in Disney's target demographic. When it comes to the villains, oh...I'm pretty sure they hire most of my people just to pass preliminary judgements.

*P.S. I personally don't care if a thread has gone off topic...I just wanted to sound snarky. Plus, there's not gonna be anything new about these dolls for another week. So what else is there to talk about?
 
Also, really? Historically accurate Disney movies? Ha! That would enrage parents even more, especially considering schools aren't even historically accurate in their own history classes. I learned more about movements and history and culture (good and bad) in a semester of theatre classes than I did in a whole high school education.
 
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