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2018 Pin Releases

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NutMeg said:
I'm in. He is honestly one of the most fascinating characters Disney has ever created. And I actually much prefer the Disney version to the original novel. The whole point of the book was to garner support for the restoration of Notre Dame/the historical preservation of architecture in general, which it definitely helped accomplish, but that just isn't as relevant today as the sociological themes that the Disney film explores (oppression, justice, religious extremism, etc...) Again, we could be here all day ha, but I strongly disagree with the people who complain that Disney butchered the book; I think their changes were totally justified and really interesting. (Except for the gargoyles. Those damn gargoyles...)

Also super jelly of that WDI profile!!!



Honey, you're talking to someone who owns a replica of Anastasia's "Together in Paris" necklace and wears it every damn day... zero judgment here. That movie is the most historically inaccurate thing ever and is downright offensive in its royal apologist whitewashing of the Russian revolution and it is my ABSOLUTE FAVORITE THING EVER OMG. I think it's totally fine to enjoy problematic media as long as you're honest about the problematic elements, ya know?
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I loved Anastasia because I was all into history and saw it as an alternative universe. But as I got older Rasputin got far more interesting historically (plus have you seen him in Epic Rap Battles of History? I quote that often). But yes, that movie = love. Somewhere I have all the parts to the train from BK and used to put it up around my small Xmas tree.


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NutMeg said:
I mean, I've watched Kimba. The only real similarities are the rhyming names (and Simba means "lion" in Swahili, so that gets a pass imo), the fact that the dad dies (but this is handled in totally different ways, and LK takes that plot point from Hamlet anyway), and I guess that one shot of a lion standing on a cliff, which may have been lifted from Kimba, sure, but Disney definitely did their own thing with it (and like you said, it might have been unintentional; maybe one of the filmmakers saw Kimba when they were a little kid and that image was subconsciously ingrained in their memory.) So yeah, I personally don't think those plagiarism complaints hold much water. I think the film definitely took some major risks, as evidenced by all the animators who tried to jump ship and work on Pocahontas instead, because they thought LK would be a huge flop. Now if we wanna talk plagiarism, Aladdin and The Thief & The Cobbler, on the other hand...
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You forgot the parents appearing in the stars, the black maned scarred lion antagonist, the landfill and hirnbill side kicks.

It is very obvious the lion king was heavily inspired by Kimba. Many of the asnimators were even told they were making a Kimba for an American audience. And th e original concept of simba was a white lion cub.

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Romancing_Train said:
You forgot the parents appearing in the stars, the black maned scarred lion antagonist, the landfill and hirnbill side kicks.

It is very obvious the lion king was heavily inspired by Kimba. Many of the asnimators were even told they were making a Kimba for an American audience. And th e original concept of simba was a white lion cub.

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Mandrill* hornbill*

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shooting4ownhand said:
Have you heard about the Anastasia musical?
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Have I heard THERE'S A RUMOR IN ST. PETERSBURG??? Sorry, couldn't resist. Actually no, I'm not sorry. Lol. But yes, I've been all over the Anastasia musical since the Hartford tryout! I mean, it's not like I have a bootleg copy of one of the performances or anything. Because that would be illegal. And wrong. And I definitely do not. Ahem, anyway, I do like the show, and I appreciate that they tried to make it more mature and historically accurate (I love how they mention that it was actually called Leningrad at that point, but Dmitry and the others still insist "it'll always be Petersburg!" Super efficient way to correct the mistake without having to change the lyrics.) But I feel like they didn't fully capture the charm of the film... I really missed the 1930's/40's screwball comedy banter between Anya and Dmitry, and was disappointed that she wasn't very sassy! I love Christy Altomare - she's an amazing actor and her voice is gorgeous, I seriously can't believe she didn't get a Tony nomination - it was just poor writing. I feel like Terrence McNally was the totally wrong person to write the book (my musical theatre nerdiness is showing, lol.)

Wait, what is this thread about again...? Lol, sorry. Maybe we should start a new topic just to talk about Anastasia haha (it's basically Disney now, right???) But seriously, I'm always down to talk about Anastasia and/or musical theatre. Just putting it out there, guys.
 
xdattax said:
I loved Anastasia because I was all into history and saw it as an alternative universe. But as I got older Rasputin got far more interesting historically (plus have you seen him in Epic Rap Battles of History? I quote that often). But yes, that movie = love. Somewhere I have all the parts to the train from BK and used to put it up around my small Xmas tree.


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It was the reverse for me - I started getting super into history because I loved Anastasia. I can actually remember the specific catalyst. There was this 90's YA series where each book was the childhood "diary" of an iconic woman from history, like Marie Antoinette and Cleopatra. I read the Anastasia one first, naturally, then I read the others, and then I moved on to another historical fiction series, and pretty soon I was a huge history nerd. So when people complain about Anastasia being bad for kids because it's full of misinformation I just kind of have to laugh, because it's the whole reason I've studied so much actual Russian (and world) history.

I never had the BK trains, sadly, but I still have a few of the dolls, including the pink pajamas one that you had to mail away for. I think you had to collect a certain number of cereal tops or something; my mom may not have let me eat at Burger King, but she helped me get that doll! Lol. I saw it sell on eBay for $300 a while back... I'm too emotionally attached to sell mine though!

Also thanks for the tip about that video, "rapping Rasputin" is one of the greatest things I have ever read. Will def have to check that out.
 
Romancing_Train said:
You forgot the parents appearing in the stars, the black maned scarred lion antagonist, the landfill and hirnbill side kicks.

It is very obvious the lion king was heavily inspired by Kimba. Many of the asnimators were even told they were making a Kimba for an American audience. And th e original concept of simba was a white lion cub.

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Eh... look, Disney has done a LOT of super shady stuff, I just think this particular controversy is over exaggerated, and the discussion often lacks nuance. I like The Lion King, but it's not my favorite and I don't have any sentimental need to defend it - it's just that plagiarism is a very serious accusation, and I don't think it's fair here. The similarities between Kimba and LK are mostly superficial and don't even touch upon the actual narrative/thematic content. And some of the parallels are just common tropes, like villains with scars, and the Biblical motif of spirits in clouds. And even that part of LK - the father's ghost urging his son to take back the throne - stems from Hamlet, not Kimba. And tbh, if I had to pick one single influence for that scene, it would be The Land Before Time (which would actually make more sense, since that film came out just a few years before LK and would've been fresher in their minds, and it was directed by former Disney employee Don Bluth.)

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Man, just thinking about Land Before Time is super depressing... I hate this movie... lol so yeah, there's plenty to suggest that the LK filmmakers were inspired by Kimba (among many other works) as an organic part of the creative process, but not that they deliberately set out to copy it. I don't know as much about the production of LK as some other Disney films, but I've never heard anything about the animators being explicitly told they were remaking Kimba for American audiences; the only citation I could find for anything like that was Matthew Broderick saying he thought he would be playing Kimba at first, because he watched the show as a kid and so the name was familiar.

Plus Kimba itself was influenced by Bambi, which is certainly evident in the show, especially when it comes to its focus on conflict between animal vs man, and the loss of a parent due to hunters... so the same argument could be made that Tezuka ripped off Disney. He also borrowed heavily from Disney's Pinocchio with Astro Boy. But really, that's just the nature of art. Every artist borrows from other creative works; it's impossible not to. It's the ciiiiiircle of liiiiiiife...
 
Boy, I must be the most uncultured person on here...I'm learning tons! Is it bad that I only watch the movies to enjoy them then and there for what they are?
The Land Before time aaaahhh!! That scene where Little foot is chasing his shadow thinking it's his mom is forever ingrained in my brain...sniff sniff...if it weren't because my son loved those movies I probably wouldn't see them again.
 
NutMeg said:
Eh... look, Disney has done a LOT of super shady stuff, I just think this particular controversy is over exaggerated, and the discussion often lacks nuance. I like The Lion King, but it's not my favorite and I don't have any sentimental need to defend it - it's just that plagiarism is a very serious accusation, and I don't think it's fair here. The similarities between Kimba and LK are mostly superficial and don't even touch upon the actual narrative/thematic content. And some of the parallels are just common tropes, like villains with scars, and the Biblical motif of spirits in clouds. And even that part of LK - the father's ghost urging his son to take back the throne - stems from Hamlet, not Kimba. And tbh, if I had to pick one single influence for that scene, it would be The Land Before Time (which would actually make more sense, since that film came out just a few years before LK and would've been fresher in their minds, and it was directed by former Disney employee Don Bluth.)

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Man, just thinking about Land Before Time is super depressing... I hate this movie... lol so yeah, there's plenty to suggest that the LK filmmakers were inspired by Kimba (among many other works) as an organic part of the creative process, but not that they deliberately set out to copy it. I don't know as much about the production of LK as some other Disney films, but I've never heard anything about the animators being explicitly told they were remaking Kimba for American audiences; the only citation I could find for anything like that was Matthew Broderick saying he thought he would be playing Kimba at first, because he watched the show as a kid and so the name was familiar.

Plus Kimba itself was influenced by Bambi, which is certainly evident in the show, especially when it comes to its focus on conflict between animal vs man, and the loss of a parent due to hunters... so the same argument could be made that Tezuka ripped off Disney. He also borrowed heavily from Disney's Pinocchio with Astro Boy. But really, that's just the nature of art. Every artist borrows from other creative works; it's impossible not to. It's the ciiiiiircle of liiiiiiife...
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I have never ever heard anything that said they were intentionally making "an American Kimba", and having read the old original scripts I say there's just no way. The film changed a lot, and was reworked into what they say, a mix of Bambi and Hamlet, in Africa, with lions. It's been a long standing debate tho since the film came out obviously, but I'm with Nutmeg, I think a lot of the similarities were coincidental/common themes, maybe there was some inspiration if people remembered it as kids (my Mom used to tell me about the show, but she remembered very little of it). We didn't have the same access to old media that we do these days. There wasn't even Kimba VHS tapes until way after LK came out that we got ahold of. If the same thing happened today, you could argue it a little more with how easy it is to sit down and find all these old shows and everything.
Tezuka however flat out said he was always inspired by Disney, and he made Kimba after being very inspired by Bambi.

This also seems like the wrong forum for this discussion ;3
 
I saw pics of the jumbo on facebook, and it's enormous!!! The pic here doesn't show the shear scale of the pin.

Good luck to those trying to get those heart pins! Did MoG sell out of them?
 
Kinda disappointed, tbh. /: Meg obviously does not have internal organs, lol, but these proportions are a little off even for her. Her right hip goes too far inward in relation to her ribs. And her face is all wrong...

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I mean, I obviously still need this, haha. But I think I'll hold off until I can find a reasonable deal. Def not gonna shell out $150 on eBay. We get so few new Meg pins though, I feel ripped off! I guess beggars can't be choosers, though...




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NutMeg said:
Kinda disappointed, tbh. /: Meg obviously does not have internal organs, lol, but these proportions are a little off even for her. Her right hip goes too far inward in relation to her ribs. And her face is all wrong...

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I mean, I obviously still need this, haha. But I think I'll hold off until I can find a reasonable deal. Def not gonna shell out $150 on eBay. We get so few new Meg pins though, I feel ripped off! I guess beggars can't be choosers, though...




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Just focus on the scene. How beautiful the scene is.

And not the anatomy. XD

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The PatF pin is so cute! :D

And that new Mushu and Cri-Kee pin is adorable! :D That's a nice surprise - guess they're already getting ready for Mulan's anniversary?

...Speaking of anniversaries...No surprise Peter Pan pins yet??? (Looking at you, WDI and DSF.) You know, releasing a 65th anniversary pin for Peter Pan today would've made more sense than the hearts - that could've waited for next week, surely? :D


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