DisneyStore Limited Edition 17" Dolls Discussion
So wait, do you actually like this line? Usually your critiques on the dolls are negative. Not that there's anything wrong with sharing your opinion; I just always thought you didn't really care for these dolls (but you get stuck buying them for family members).
As a collector, I understand the frustrations of wanting an overlooked character or being sick of the same ones on repeat. Since you don't collect them, you won't take the business decisions as personally; they don't affect you. I agree that the petition is a bit... premature, but there's nothing wrong with venting our frustrations together--especially when the LE collectors among us feel the same way about something.
No one is saying anything to annoy anyone else or to attack anyone. This is more like a collecting support group
...to settle for this lesser-quality item. You know what I mean? Like they are taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people don't have Frozen dolls and are making a lesser product to meet that need...
I didn't mean it in a way like thatI just don't think they are worth $130. Like, the quality is just so subpar, and I feel badly that Disney is almost "forcing" those who do not have Frozen dolls to settle for this lesser-quality item. You know what I mean? Like they are taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people don't have Frozen dolls and are making a lesser product to meet that need, because they know they will still sell. The dolls are still pretty, of course, but I think they could do better for their customers.
Seeing the Frozen LEs in person was extremely disappointing. I am very, very underwhelmed. I will still buy them because I want a complete Frozen collection (minus Harrods LOL), but wow. Literally same faces with different paint and tinsel hair, very shiny skin, and a seemingly empty box, devoid of detail. To me, this is worth getting upset over, not the Cinderella dolls... I suppose wait until you guys see them!!
I am genuinely interested in your perception of the reduced quality of the newest Frozen dolls. I missed out on the previous releases, thus I will be attempting to purchase the new ones next week. Is the lack of quality due to the material used, paint application, and/or outfit detail based on your up close look at the dolls? The outfit designs used this time around may not be everyone's favorite, but I wanted to make sure that your concerns were due to something you saw that suggested a flaw in the construction of the dolls.
I just want to get an idea of whether or not some people are equating simplicity in design elements with actual poor materials used in these dolls. I understand that Disney has re-used sculpts and face paints, but that is acceptable to me.
Thanks.
I totally understand where you're coming from! And I do think that Elsa at least is nowhere near the quality of her earlier versions (and I'd wished they'd done a better job on Kristoff too, but he doesn't have another version for comparison). If I'd had the time machine from Meet the Robinsons and had the chance to take my pick of which set I wanted, I'd honestly choose the March set because in my opinion they are the most movie accurate and are just as detailed as the November set. But really I'm just happy to be able to have any of the Frozen dolls, even if they are of a lesser quality than the earlier sets.
Oh, and I really love your YouTube reviews; I haven't seen the Sleeping Beauty ones yet, but your reviews of the four Frozen dolls are pretty much the reason I've wanted them so much and my favorite reviews of any LE doll period.
I also didn't mean to criticize anyone in my earlier post, least of all collectors, if that is how it came across so I'm very sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.Unfortunately these dolls just can't please everyone, and it was more of a response to people who want no one to complain or express any negative views than anything else. I just hope that in the future Disney makes it clear why they price the dolls as they do; in the past they bulleted all the highlights of the dolls, like the fabric choices and rooted eyelashes and other details that made customers understand why the dolls were priced the way they were. But now they just give the name of the doll, one or two sentences about the character, and the price.
I can't wait to see your reviews!
However, I'm not gonna lie, was kinda underwhelmed with your Sleeping beauty reviews. Not as in depth as the other ones. But still, it's really enjoyable
Are you planning on reviewing any of the other ones that you haven't done yet?
I started reading that petition, and I have signed some before, but I didn't sign this one. It completely lacks the professionalism that I would expect from a petition to make it all the way to Disney Store corporate. There were run-on sentences, grammatical errors, and no organization. I don't mean to offend the person that wrote it, it just wasn't up to my standards, especially if I would like to work for Disney some day. By signing that petition, it would mean that I was endorsing it; and I just couldn't. Please, anyone who decides to make a petition, make sure it's on point and it doesn't stray. That's the way to more signatures.
I agree that a petition over the price of one item is nonsensical and somewhat overkill. Disney is a company and can do and charge whatever it wants and will continue to do so as long as it makes money. People aren’t obligated to buy anything. However, I don’t think the argument that Disney is in business to make money should mean the company’s decisions are above and beyond criticism from its customers.
And is it really that upsetting to people if someone says that a doll does not look like it is worth the price? Or that many of us would like to see other dolls besides Frozen? Or to point out that quality has gone down while prices have gone up? Are we all supposed to smile and nod like Stepford Wives, no matter what Disney dishes out? Someone expressing an opinion is not preventing anyone else from purchasing these dolls if they want them. Nor are such statements personal criticisms of fellow doll collectors who like or want the dolls. If someone loves a doll and thinks it is worth $2000, they certainly don’t owe anyone an apology or should feel the need to explain themselves.
My main issue over the Wedding Doll is not that it costs $500, it is that apparently Disney is charging a ridiculous amount for a plastic doll mass produced in China solely based on the edition size, which they control. The prices of dolls on the secondary market are driven up by a natural demand; Disney is attempting to purposely force demand and create a frenzy on these products by making such a low number and using that as an excuse to charge $500. Is this a brilliant business decision? No doubt. Is this manipulating and taking advantage of customers? Yes, and anyone would be naive to think otherwise. Most people tend to get angry when they sense they are being manipulated, and I believe this is a primary source of the frustration over the latest doll announcements. People know when they're being had. Elite products are usually expensive for a good reason. A Rolls Royce is one thing, but if a dealer tried to sell you a Toyota for the same price just because he slapped a shiny rhinestone-encrusted medallion on the front, you’d laugh in his face.
While I don’t believe the retail price of the regular LE dolls will increase in the near future, I can see the quality of the dolls going down and Disney creating a more expensive new “Platinum” line of dolls of the exact same quality that the dolls used to be when they started out. I don’t think this observation is premature. It is already happening. The quality of the new Frozen dolls already appears to be considerably lower compared to the Frozen dolls released just a year ago. They’ve already started holding back quality on the regular LE’s with the release of the Harrods dolls.
Perhaps Disney will release more information that will justify the $500 price tag on the Wedding Doll and I will stand corrected on its worth, but as of now, they have only released photographs with limited information, and by appearances, the doll really doesn’t look that much different from the 12” doll beyond the addition of eyelashes and some rhinestones. Personally, I think the butterflies on the skirt are a really lovely touch. But if the doll was made with special or expensive materials, wouldn’t it be in Disney’s best interests to advertise that? It is my understanding that most companies try to promote the best qualities of their products, not hide them. If the doll had looked significantly different or if Disney had released more information about the doll and why it was priced as such (beyond the 500 LE size) I believe there would have been far fewer complaints.
I’ve been a devoted Disney fan my entire life — one of the main reasons is because the Disney brand used to be synonymous with quality and outstanding customer service. Disney stood apart from other companies for these very reasons. However, in the past couple of years I feel these values have been tossed aside for the bottom line.
Sure, there have always been and will always be people who cannot afford Disney products or afford a Disney vacation, but Disney continues to offer less and less for more and more money. This has also become extremely prevalent in the parks, with add-ons and up-charges for nearly everything now. They have taken away things that used to be available to anyone who purchased a park ticket, slapped an extra charge to it and now made it exclusively for the ultra-wealthy and elite. They charge upwards of $300 for events that offer little more than the ability to purchase their products for even more money. This strategy has been extremely successful — Disney stock has nearly doubled over the past year. This is all great for stockholders, but as a customer, I can’t say I’m ever going to be happy to be getting less than I was getting before and being charged more money for it.
Of course, the flippant response is usually “then don’t purchase the dolls,” and I guess when I’ve finally had enough of it, I will quit. But I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of these dolls and really would like to continue to do so without seeing a decline in product quality and/or to feel I am being forced out of the hobby because I’m not part of the wealthy one percent.
Sorry for the long post.
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