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DisneyStore Limited Edition 17" Dolls Discussion

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DisneyStore Limited Edition 17" Dolls Discussion

I like this line. Sure, I don't buy them for myself, but I still care about because I like Disney merchandise.

I'm just sick of hearing people throw the blame on Disney as if these dolls just grow on trees and disney is exploiting them. And I do care about this line just as much as people do. Just because I don't want to own any of them, doesn't mean that I don't enjoy the creativity or the fandom. But it's when everyone is constantly prematurely complaining that I don't like.

 
this might be completely off the mark but i feel like there are other factors in play of why they don't release those dolls.

and the critique of the dolls is actually really helpful, at least to me. because i don't collect, it is very beneficial and interesting for me to read all of these responses and opinions. i am so close to just being like "whateeeeeeeever!" and getting the cinderella doll, because i have high expectations for the film and really am excited to see it. i will probably get it. the thing that is holding me back is the quality of the doll. it is definitely not cheap. could i opt out and get the 12"? is the quality of the doll worth the price? i think these are valid questions. just because disney gives me a price, doesn't mean i shouldn't consider and think about what i am spending my money on and i think that qualifies especially for this cinderella doll.

on a side note, some of the ooak dolls that i came across while browsing cinderella tags are fantastic. and the adult cosplay dresses for this movieeeeee. yum. c:
makes me sort of upset thinking about all the possibilities they could have incorporated. at the same time, can't please everyone right? i should just make my own ooak doll and be happy with it. haha.
 
I wonder if there really is a reason why disney is selling the wedding cinderella for 500$ im sure that the fabric is high quality and such...... But for 500 on one doll retail price, I would expect the doll to have real shoes made of swavarski crystals and lily James herself to deliver it personally and escort me to disney land!!:lol::lol: I guess disney has a reason for making her 500$.
 
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If they're higher priced because of royalties and likeness, then it's such a shame we'll never get an LE Giselle because of those issues.

They're nice dolls, but the Wedding Cinderella is nowhere near worh £300/$500. Looks like better quality versions of the 12" dolls.
 
The thing is that these dolls are not an indication of the normal heirloom dolls. Those dolls are still the same price that is why I think this whole petition is just pointless because the base argument is invalid. I can see what they are trying to say but Disney has technically done nothing wrong. Collectible items are a hobby in itself and its not expensive. It's considered a hobby because it's a past time not compulsory.

So what if Disney released some dolls that are "elite" every company does that. Car companies have been doing it for years For example BMW has Rolls Royce.

You cannot blame Disney for wanting to release a nice line and charging for it.

The main kicker here is that people have paid more than $500 for a doll so why is this one any different? Just because it is sold by Disney? This I do not get, if people are willing to pay for the item then where is the foul by Disney?

By the way they have not even come out yet so how can we really be sure that the price isn't justified? They released a resin slipper that cost $100 no one complained, they released a tea set for $200, no one complained they just didn't buy it. Why is this any different?

People are not forced into buying these dolls and so what if Disney increased the price by $20 how often do they increase the price and $20 is not a lot to spend on four or five dolls a year, just stop spending it on coffee or eating take away.

It's all about priorities.

It is not about not caring and thinking that Disney won't do anything, it's about being smart and picking your battles.

End of the day if you don't want the doll don't get, if you can't afford it then I'm sorry but the world will keep on spinning. I cannot afford to buy a Maserati but do you see me writing a petition?

People just need to grow up, you cannot always get what you want. I guess this topic just really grinds my gears because it is another way that people are making excuses and trying to blame someone else. Disney is a corporation with shareholders of course they are going to do everything they can to please their shareholders it is not being greedy it's called running a company.
 
Some one willing to pay 2,000 bucks to buy a SQ Elsa who is labeled as $99.95. Why? Because so many people want her! If you really like her, a $500 Cindy should not be a problem for you. I think there must be some special features about this platinum Cindy that is no unveiled yet which keeps you being curious. Sometimes, the value of an art work can hardly be defined and it depends on people and time.
 
Actual swarovski crystal slippers would be a nice touch. At the end of the day everyone has their own opinion of what a doll is worth so its good having discussions about it. I think it would've been good for Disney to let us know what is different about the platinum doll to make her cost so much and maybe people would've understood.

I'm really hoping someone will buy her on this forum so we can get some pics of her though
 
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Does anyone know why blue Cinderella has gone up by £28 ($43) in the UK, but by only $10 in the US?
 
Seeing the Frozen LEs in person was extremely disappointing. I am very, very underwhelmed. I will still buy them because I want a complete Frozen collection (minus Harrods LOL), but wow. Literally same faces with different paint and tinsel hair, very shiny skin, and a seemingly empty box, devoid of detail. To me, this is worth getting upset over, not the Cinderella dolls... I suppose wait until you guys see them!!
 
I started getting into this hobby right when Coronation Anna and Snow Queen Elsa had hit the thousand dollar price point on eBay; they were and still are completely impossible for me to afford at those prices. Doll "giants" like Alice and Snow White were also being talked about non-stop on the forums, mostly from (you guessed it) new collectors who really wanted them and couldn't afford them. My collection only really kicked off when I was lucky enough to get Blue Aurora and later Prince Phillip-I still don't know how I managed to get Aurora because the ordering process for these dolls online is, in a word, insane. So I really haven't paid more than retail for a doll yet, but I probably will if circumstances change and allow me to get the dolls I missed out on.

So I'm willing to bet most people here are complaining about another set of Frozen dolls have been complaining because they already own one or both of the Frozen sets already in circulation-that or they just don't like Frozen (gasp). I'm going to completely ignore how selfish I think complaining for that reason alone would be and simply say that the release will offer a lot of new collectors who missed out a chance to have a Frozen doll. Personally I LOVE the new Anna doll, so not only would I be able to have one (for retail!) but then I can save $1000 from not buying Coronation Anna. I am flat out not going to pay more than I have to if there is another version of the character I like the same or better for a lower price. I'll still probably try to find Snow Queen Elsa one day, but again plans would change if they released a different version of her (maybe the Frozen Fever version if she looks as beautiful and has the signature braid!) that I liked the same or better. The popularity and edition sizes don't mean much at all to me; I like the dolls for their quality and craftsmanship (especially the tapestries on the boxes, since the art is always so beautiful), and how accurately they resemble the characters from the movie.

But people complaining about Cinderella is a very different thing altogether. Not just doll collectors, but probably more than a few people who are just collecting this one movie's merchandise or love the movie in general were counting on these dolls to be spectacular. Based on stock photos, they're not entirely (at least people seem to agree about that), and people have been passionately expressing their opinions ever since. Not only that, but people were kind of hoping these dolls would be also be affordable, and the wedding doll just doesn't seem affordable from most of the responses here. She's very beautiful but I don't think she's worth that much money, and it doesn't help that Disney didn't give anyone details about why the doll may be as expensive as she is beyond a lower edition size. I'd be very surprised if people who buy and examine her don't find high-quality glass slippers and other extravagant add-ins and post about them later on, which will redeem Disney a little bit and should inevitably make the complaints about the price go away. Yes, Disney is a company and should work to stay afloat first, but if they were going to sell a doll for $500 couldn't they at least have told us what materials they used to make her that much? Those are the kinds of things people are mad about, and justifiably so.
 
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I didn't mean it in a way like that I just don't think they are worth $130. Like, the quality is just so subpar, and I feel badly that Disney is almost "forcing" those who do not have Frozen dolls to settle for this lesser-quality item. You know what I mean? Like they are taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people don't have Frozen dolls and are making a lesser product to meet that need, because they know they will still sell. The dolls are still pretty, of course, but I think they could do better for their customers.
 
I can understand both sides. You're not forced to buy an expensive doll you don't like. But; I really like the 17'' LE dolls and i am always very excited about new releases. Seeing the lack of detail on both Cinderella dolls and the price tag just makes me sad. I hope Disney will still do some great jobs with the upcoming 17'' dolls of the traditional princesses (and hopefully some girls like Esmeralda or Jane) like they did to the heirloom dolls before; Cinderella is with her classic doll face and simple dress just quite boring. This is what upsets me. And i see no point in pushing her price tag, even if she is only 500.
 
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I don't know why but I sort of want to buy the wedding version! I don't think I will have enough as I haven't saved a lot! Do you think that the price for the wedding doll will increase drastically on the secondary market? I was thinking to purchase later on maybe in a month..
 
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...to settle for this lesser-quality item. You know what I mean? Like they are taking advantage of the fact that a lot of people don't have Frozen dolls and are making a lesser product to meet that need...

I am genuinely interested in your perception of the reduced quality of the newest Frozen dolls. I missed out on the previous releases, thus I will be attempting to purchase the new ones next week. Is the lack of quality due to the material used, paint application, and/or outfit detail based on your up close look at the dolls? The outfit designs used this time around may not be everyone's favorite, but I wanted to make sure that your concerns were due to something you saw that suggested a flaw in the construction of the dolls.

I just want to get an idea of whether or not some people are equating simplicity in design elements with actual poor materials used in these dolls. I understand that Disney has re-used sculpts and face paints, but that is acceptable to me.

Thanks.
 

I totally understand where you're coming from! And I do think that Elsa at least is nowhere near the quality of her earlier versions (and I'd wished they'd done a better job on Kristoff too, but he doesn't have another version for comparison). If I'd had the time machine from Meet the Robinsons and had the chance to take my pick of which set I wanted, I'd honestly choose the March set because in my opinion they are the most movie accurate and are just as detailed as the November set. But really I'm just happy to be able to have any of the Frozen dolls, even if they are of a lesser quality than the earlier sets.

Oh, and I really love your YouTube reviews; I haven't seen the Sleeping Beauty ones yet, but your reviews of the four Frozen dolls are pretty much the reason I've wanted them so much and my favorite reviews of any LE doll period.

I also didn't mean to criticize anyone in my earlier post, least of all collectors, if that is how it came across so I'm very sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. Unfortunately these dolls just can't please everyone, and it was more of a response to people who want no one to complain or express any negative views than anything else. I just hope that in the future Disney makes it clear why they price the dolls as they do; in the past they bulleted all the highlights of the dolls, like the fabric choices and rooted eyelashes and other details that made customers understand why the dolls were priced the way they were. But now they just give the name of the doll, one or two sentences about the character, and the price.
 
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Yeah, don't expect Disney to issue an explanation on why they priced the doll at $500 - no company would ever have the courtesy to do that, and from my experience, despite the quality customer service and appreciation, Disney is no different in regards to explaining themselves. The proof will be given when collectors get the doll and have a chance to examine her themselves. At which point, if there is a reasonable explanation, I will gladly forgive Disney the price tag. I wasn't interested in the Wedding Dress Cinderella, regardless, so it doesn't make a difference to me.

I honestly think the biggest issue with the price increase is what's wrong with our reality - the crap economy. Just because they're saying that the recession is over doesn't mean anything. Recovery is going nowhere, and it's my generation that seems to be suffering the most. I know, myself, I can pay for the new $130 price, because I can make that by working two full days. But I don't have a steady paycheck - I'm working a part time job and I only get payed for the days that I work, which can range anywhere from 10 days in the two week pay period to none at all. Sadly, I'm not the only one in that position. And I can see why people are upset about paying more for an LE Disney doll when they have to be able to afford a daily grocery bill of also over $100.

As far as the Frozen dolls vs. other dolls, I don't care what Disney decides to release. Sure, I'd like to see a Mulan on the market one day, but it's not the end of the world. I love Frozen, and I am very excited about the upcoming Elsa release. But I can see where the primary resentment from this set has originated from. Everyone was expecting this set to be the highly anticipated Frozen Fever set, as that is pretty much what we were told by just about every source. Disney is, unfortunately, to blame for this, as they could have corrected the problem very easily by simply announcing that they had no intention of releasing Frozen Fever just yet. But that's about the only thing the company CAN be held accountable for.
 

I can't wait to see your reviews!
However, I'm not gonna lie, was kinda underwhelmed with your Sleeping beauty reviews. Not as in depth as the other ones. But still, it's really enjoyable
Are you planning on reviewing any of the other ones that you haven't done yet?
 
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I agree that a petition over the price of one item is nonsensical and somewhat overkill. Disney is a company and can do and charge whatever it wants and will continue to do so as long as it makes money. People aren’t obligated to buy anything. However, I don’t think the argument that Disney is in business to make money should mean the company’s decisions are above and beyond criticism from its customers.


And is it really that upsetting to people if someone says that a doll does not look like it is worth the price? Or that many of us would like to see other dolls besides Frozen? Or to point out that quality has gone down while prices have gone up? Are we all supposed to smile and nod like Stepford Wives, no matter what Disney dishes out? Someone expressing an opinion is not preventing anyone else from purchasing these dolls if they want them. Nor are such statements personal criticisms of fellow doll collectors who like or want the dolls. If someone loves a doll and thinks it is worth $2000, they certainly don’t owe anyone an apology or should feel the need to explain themselves.


My main issue over the Wedding Doll is not that it costs $500, it is that apparently Disney is charging a ridiculous amount for a plastic doll mass produced in China solely based on the edition size, which they control. The prices of dolls on the secondary market are driven up by a natural demand; Disney is attempting to purposely force demand and create a frenzy on these products by making such a low number and using that as an excuse to charge $500. Is this a brilliant business decision? No doubt. Is this manipulating and taking advantage of customers? Yes, and anyone would be naive to think otherwise. Most people tend to get angry when they sense they are being manipulated, and I believe this is a primary source of the frustration over the latest doll announcements. People know when they're being had. Elite products are usually expensive for a good reason. A Rolls Royce is one thing, but if a dealer tried to sell you a Toyota for the same price just because he slapped a shiny rhinestone-encrusted medallion on the front, you’d laugh in his face.

While I don’t believe the retail price of the regular LE dolls will increase in the near future, I can see the quality of the dolls going down and Disney creating a more expensive new “Platinum” line of dolls of the exact same quality that the dolls used to be when they started out. I don’t think this observation is premature. It is already happening. The quality of the new Frozen dolls already appears to be considerably lower compared to the Frozen dolls released just a year ago. They’ve already started holding back quality on the regular LE’s with the release of the Harrods dolls.


Perhaps Disney will release more information that will justify the $500 price tag on the Wedding Doll and I will stand corrected on its worth, but as of now, they have only released photographs with limited information, and by appearances, the doll really doesn’t look that much different from the 12” doll beyond the addition of eyelashes and some rhinestones. Personally, I think the butterflies on the skirt are a really lovely touch. But if the doll was made with special or expensive materials, wouldn’t it be in Disney’s best interests to advertise that? It is my understanding that most companies try to promote the best qualities of their products, not hide them. If the doll had looked significantly different or if Disney had released more information about the doll and why it was priced as such (beyond the 500 LE size) I believe there would have been far fewer complaints.

I’ve been a devoted Disney fan my entire life — one of the main reasons is because the Disney brand used to be synonymous with quality and outstanding customer service. Disney stood apart from other companies for these very reasons. However, in the past couple of years I feel these values have been tossed aside for the bottom line.


Sure, there have always been and will always be people who cannot afford Disney products or afford a Disney vacation, but Disney continues to offer less and less for more and more money. This has also become extremely prevalent in the parks, with add-ons and up-charges for nearly everything now. They have taken away things that used to be available to anyone who purchased a park ticket, slapped an extra charge to it and now made it exclusively for the ultra-wealthy and elite. They charge upwards of $300 for events that offer little more than the ability to purchase their products for even more money. This strategy has been extremely successful — Disney stock has nearly doubled over the past year. This is all great for stockholders, but as a customer, I can’t say I’m ever going to be happy to be getting less than I was getting before and being charged more money for it.

Of course, the flippant response is usually “then don’t purchase the dolls,” and I guess when I’ve finally had enough of it, I will quit. But I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of these dolls and really would like to continue to do so without seeing a decline in product quality and/or to feel I am being forced out of the hobby because I’m not part of the wealthy one percent.

Sorry for the long post.
 
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Based on how people are describing the dolls I'm not sure I'm going to even want the Anna... I'm thinking I'm just going to take the money I would have spent and buy a doll I don't have off ebay...
 
After seeing the photos from disney's blog now I'm Actually kind of wanting both cinderella dolls. x;
 
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the live action cindy, while very pretty, just doesn't really look like a disney doll to me.
i was hoping they'd make a cindy more in tune with the animated version like what they did with aurora but hey, can't blame them for wanting to start a new line.

the new anna is really charming, i might try for her.
 

For me, I just think they are lacking in detail. The outfits are lackluster choices to begin with, I think they would have been better suited to have produced Frozen Fever dolls. I understand the reasoning, its just a bit of a downer. I also think their intensely shiny skin is an attempt to make the dolls have more "expensive appeal" than they really do. Seeing as the outfits are so bland, I think these girls got the "fairy treatment" to make up for it. But it simply just does not suit them. Especially since none of the other dolls, save for the Harrod's set, have this treatment. This could of course be what they were trying to achieve. However to me, the dolls look less pearlescent and more...sweaty.
I also feel a bit peeved that the face sculpts are exactly the same as the ones from last release. At least, they appeared to be to me (I only got one look).
I just overall feel that the set is a rushed response to the success of Frozen. Can't say I blame Disney for doing this, but it just is a bit disappointing for the long time collector/admirer of these dolls. Just my humble opinion though! I still think they are beautiful, in their own way, I just feel that they could done more or better. I believe they are still worth having, especially for those of us who don't have any.


Thank you for watching my channel! I appreciate that lol. So will these be your first Frozen dolls then??


Sorry about that lol. I've been quite sick on and off, lots of respiratory problems. Its been a bit hard for me to do long reviews (that's why I haven't really posted a lot lately either!). But hopefully I will make better ones with these new dolls lol. I am still planning on doing some that I have missed, too. I don't even remember what I'm missing anymore haha.
 
I started reading that petition, and I have signed some before, but I didn't sign this one. It completely lacks the professionalism that I would expect from a petition to make it all the way to Disney Store corporate. There were run-on sentences, grammatical errors, and no organization. I don't mean to offend the person that wrote it, it just wasn't up to my standards, especially if I would like to work for Disney some day. By signing that petition, it would mean that I was endorsing it; and I just couldn't. Please, anyone who decides to make a petition, make sure it's on point and it doesn't stray. That's the way to more signatures.

I'm personally going to go to the going to the Cinderella doll release to see her in person. If I like her, I'll get her; if not, that's a lot of money I'll be saving. I might just get her to do a repaint of her face. So it looks more like the animated Cinderella as opposed to her live action counterpart.
 

I honestly regret signing it myself. He did make some good points and all, but it really wasn't that professional. It basically seemed like he was saying "GIVE US WHAT WE WANT OR WE WILL BOYCOTT ALL FUTURE DOLLS REGARDLESS OF HOW WELL MADE AND REASONABLY PRICED THEY ARE!!!". The thought of boycotting dolls bugs the crap out of me because, ya know, they are DOLLS.
 

Fantastic post. I share the same viewpoint as you for the most part.

I am not a very big fan of the clothing choices or the quality of the new Frozen dolls, the price for the wedding Cinderella, or the fact that some films like Big Hero 6 and Mulan don't have any 17" dolls. That being said, I am very happy for anyone who does want these dolls, and I encourage them to buy what they like regardless of what everyone else thinks. After all, this is just a forum of people expressing their views on the situation. If someone feels that they are worth the price, then go for it. I am certainly not going to boycott all future doll releases like a child, and I am still looking very forward to the Aladdin dolls. Hopefully Disney will deliver on both their designs and their quality.
 
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