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I am done with Disney pins !!!

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I am done with Disney pins !!!
We have the same problem with these scrapper sharks @ DLR.Some of them will push you out of the way to get to the real pins.
 
shooting4ownhand said:
The hobby is becoming way to expensive for most people. When I first got into pin trading, there were a handful of pins that were 75+ but now its the norm for LE pins to be in the hundreds of dollars. You can get lucky and get some of the less popular LE pins for between 20-50 but most of the newer pins are out of reach for many people. Some of the open edition pins Disney has been releasing have been very nice but overall, they tend not to be anything to write home about. Scalpers and scrappers are also becoming more of a problem in the community. Honestly, the hobby isn't worth the headache half the time.
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Don't forget the pin sharks! LOL
 
Example: there is a seller on eBay that has the BATB BT, which most know is my grail right now. They started it at $1199.99! Ouch!
I messaged them and offered $800.00. Reply was I will keep lowering it by $100.00 till it sells. Well 3rd auction ended last night with no bids for $999.99.
Now when it finally reaches $799.99, I'm not even bidding. This is not a Buy It Now auction. It's a 7 day auction beginning at that price. Ridiculous!
 
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I know how your feeling our uk pins used to make a good trader but not any more I've sent loads of trade requests on pinpics and have got nothing I used to do a lot of trading but now it's just stopped completely haven't done a trade since start of December I'm starting to feel like giving up on trading as no one wants to trade with me any more :( I'm not on Facebook so I rely on websites like this to do my trading any one want to trade with me?
 
tinkerbelle1956 said:
Example: there is a seller on eBay that has the BATB BT, which most know is my grail right now. They started it at $1199.99! Ouch!
I messaged them and offered $800.00. Reply was I will keep lowering it by $100.00 till it sells. Well 3rd auction ended last night with no bids for $999.99.
Now when it finally reaches $799.99, I'm not even bidding. This is not a Buy It Now auction. It's a 7 day auction beginning at that price. Ridiculous!
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It's lame when sellers who claim to accept best offers refuse to barter with you. I always make counteroffers when I put up that option on my listings.
 
tinkerbelle1956 said:
Example: there is a seller on eBay that has the BATB BT, which most know is my grail right now. They started it at $1199.99! Ouch!
I messaged them and offered $800.00. Reply was I will keep lowering it by $100.00 till it sells. Well 3rd auction ended last night with no bids for $999.99.
Now when it finally reaches $799.99, I'm not even bidding. This is not a Buy It Now auction. It's a 7 day auction beginning at that price. Ridiculous!
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I mean no disrespect to Tinkerbelle1956 or anyone else but, ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? $800 for a pin?? You can complain about the "Sellers" but, they can't exist without the "Buyers"!!!

That's a lot of $$$ to spend for something that retailed for less than $20 and may end up in someone's garage or estate sale in the future. Hobbies should be FUN & a way to meet people. Not a "Money Pit"!

Please don't jump down my throat - it's just my opinion.
 
I do agree with you Tigger Sue and I'm beginning to wonder if I want it that much! I actually stopped watching the auction.
Im being a hypocrite, in one post I'm saying don't forget pin sharks, in the next I'm feeding them! If I'm meant to have it, it will turn up.
 
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So true, but for serious collectors I know it's hard to let those pins go. This will sound silly to those same collectors, but I feel weird just paying more than $10-12 for Disney Pins (and sadly most in that range are beginners pins lol). I mean, they're small pins that don't cost much to manufacture at all. I like them, but it's just weird spending so much money on something like that. Same with Funko Pops. Don't get me wrong, I understand the good feelings things like this give, since I've been rewarding myself with pins for good college grades, and I know for some people they are worth that much (kinda like how some Funko collectors have outright stated that to them their $100+ figures were worth it). But I guess it also depends on income levels, etc.
 
So I haven't been in pin trading that long (started in 2012), but I remember when I first joined everyone was complaining about prices being high...and it has gotten even worse. I managed to get the Alice in Sorcerer Hat pin and few others from the that first big group release for just above cost on ebay. But when the second set came out at the conventions a few years later, forget it ! I will be chasing those pins forever, or until I quit one day. (And I will probably never own Dinah because she sells for more than my monthly car payment and I just can't justify that. Seriously.) I understand marking things up a few bucks, but what I have seen in my short time is a little crazy.

That said, I love trading, but not being near the parks it's hard to build up a set of traders, reasonably, without spending a ton on the secondary market, for pins I might not be able to actually trade.
 
I have started selling off some off my high end Ariel pins. If prices drop I can always buy them back.
We started with cast lanyard pins in 2001 and sold most of those when they started scarping and counterfeiting them. I always collected pin trading night pins. Tried to go to all the Friday pin trading nits at contemporary back in the day. Collected most off the Paris and California pin trading nite pins . Sold off all Paris pins that are not core collection characters when they started to be scrapped. Fantasy pins have affected my interest in Ariel I'm not sure why, still love pi events and wish they would have pin trading Nites again.
 
I have been selling off alot of my traders.Almost all the trades I have tried of late have felt lopsided it use to be alot more fun.Why did DLR stop the pin trading nights?
 
tinkerbelle1956 said:
Example: there is a seller on eBay that has the BATB BT, which most know is my grail right now. They started it at $1199.99! Ouch! I messaged them and offered $800.00. Reply was I will keep lowering it by $100.00 till it sells. Well 3rd auction ended last night with no bids for $999.99. Now when it finally reaches $799.99, I'm not even bidding. This is not a Buy It Now auction. It's a 7 day auction beginning at that price. Ridiculous!
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I know exactly how you feel. I've experienced the same thing i offered someone on eBay a price for 3@ pins she was selling. My final offer was only 20.00 less than what she started them at. She has yet to accept my offer. The pins have set
there with no bids for several auctions now. I've been told .......let me think about it. So I've stop watching them and really have no plans to bid on them now. It's greed! Plain and simple. You'd rather let them sit there and possibly not sell at all instead of taking a 20.00 reduction on pins that are super marked up to begin with. GREED!!
 
PinPics_Ambassador said:
People may involve themselves in pin trading for the pins, but I think everyone sticks around and or returns for the friendships :)
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Even this was more true in the past. Remember that pin pics was free and made on friendship. It was many years later when the money part became more of a issue. It's very hard for people not to make money when they can. Even if it is kind of sharky.

WWWDD
 
I get so tired of hearing "I only trade for BT's or Gomes." Oh really? Good luck with that morons. They didn't even know what a Gomes was last year. And all these sellers that just accumulate a paypal balance and then blow it on an overpriced pin on eBay just to show it off, not realizing they just paid the idiotic price no one else would and now made that pin value inflate unnaturally. All just to show off. Now the fantasy sellers are doing the same, taking their fantasy profits and overpaying for pins. For example, they all want BatB BT. It is not a $900 pin. There is no way a LE300 BT is worth more or the same as the LE150 UP marquee. Just not gonna happen. BT's are amateur hour anyways, people only want to collect those because there are far fewer and you can complete the set much easier than PTD's or marquees. (They ran PTD values into the ground with their insatiable flipping $$ appetites. I see too much market manipulation going on with the Fantasy pins where the creator makes it an LE50, sells maybe 35 of them to people and horde's 15. Then they list 1 on ebay and have their buddy buy it for $150 and viola, instantly they now have 15 $150 pins. Yeah, ok. I'm pretty sure that is some form of racketeering.

I see the same pins rotating these circles between buyers/sellers just to show off what they bought. Not what they traded up and and up and up to get. Or that they searched for YEARS to find. The parks keep releasing junk. DSF releases are a crap shoot. WDI kicked out D23 shopping days thanks to a few entitled feeling pushy people. You see more fantasy peacock lanyards than real pin peacock lanyards. Yeah, the hobby is going downhill right now.

It is so painful to try to trade at the parks anymore. I am not as bothered with someone looking at eBay sold auctions. Even I can't keep up with the changes. But the books all have the same new stuff in them. And very few people will trade you a pin you want/need for a trader in return. They instantly look for your most expensive, ask for that, and when you say "No thanks" they go to the next most valuable and try again. Trade even people. It's not that hard. Thank goodness for the last few veterans that will trade sometimes just because they haven't made a trade all day. The ones that actually have something different in their books other than DSF last few months, some WDI left overs and a page full of fantasy jumbos.
 
Wow. Well said Mark. Good to see you are still around and still a stand up guy. It's so sad to see the hobby change over the years. The only good part is that some of the old real disney fans are still here. Maybe Sunday it will go back to being a hobby about good times or family and friends. It's a far away dream.... But Walt told us that if we could dream it, it could come true. Kind of up to all of us to make things how they should be. That will happen as the Sharks and resellers go away. So when people stop feeding the Sharks, they will stop doing circles in our happy waters.

WWWDD
 
pinbum said:
Does Pin Pics charge for their service?What is the cost?
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Not sure what they do now. The site was made buy us pin fans years ago. I was not even here when it started. A couple members made the site for everyone to share and help build buy adding the pics of pins. Years later the site was sold. At that time many things changed and there was a new fee for new features. I can't list everything that went down but it was a lot of shady biz. I left here for some time and now that I'm back. It's like people are not knowing what happened of not willing to talk. I even asked about why we don't have our links back if everything is cool now and pinpricks are back to being nice. No anwser. I'm not sure if the still have any fee for some thing. But maybe some older member will finally chime in and help me and maybe others understand better.

WWWDD
 
markheardjr said:
I get so tired of hearing "I only trade for BT's or Gomes." Oh really? Good luck with that morons. They didn't even know what a Gomes was last year. And all these sellers that just accumulate a paypal balance and then blow it on an overpriced pin on eBay just to show it off, not realizing they just paid the idiotic price no one else would and now made that pin value inflate unnaturally. All just to show off. Now the fantasy sellers are doing the same, taking their fantasy profits and overpaying for pins. For example, they all want BatB BT. It is not a $900 pin. There is no way a LE300 BT is worth more or the same as the LE150 UP marquee. Just not gonna happen. BT's are amateur hour anyways, people only want to collect those because there are far fewer and you can complete the set much easier than PTD's or marquees. (They ran PTD values into the ground with their insatiable flipping $$ appetites. I see too much market manipulation going on with the Fantasy pins where the creator makes it an LE50, sells maybe 35 of them to people and horde's 15. Then they list 1 on ebay and have their buddy buy it for $150 and viola, instantly they now have 15 $150 pins. Yeah, ok. I'm pretty sure that is some form of racketeering.

I see the same pins rotating these circles between buyers/sellers just to show off what they bought. Not what they traded up and and up and up to get. Or that they searched for YEARS to find. The parks keep releasing junk. DSF releases are a crap shoot. WDI kicked out D23 shopping days thanks to a few entitled feeling pushy people. You see more fantasy peacock lanyards than real pin peacock lanyards. Yeah, the hobby is going downhill right now.

It is so painful to try to trade at the parks anymore. I am not as bothered with someone looking at eBay sold auctions. Even I can't keep up with the changes. But the books all have the same new stuff in them. And very few people will trade you a pin you want/need for a trader in return. They instantly look for your most expensive, ask for that, and when you say "No thanks" they go to the next most valuable and try again. Trade even people. It's not that hard. Thank goodness for the last few veterans that will trade sometimes just because they haven't made a trade all day. The ones that actually have something different in their books other than DSF last few months, some WDI left overs and a page full of fantasy jumbos.
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You put my thoughts exactly into eloquent words. Really. People always gravitate to my most valued pins when I'm asking for current stuff until I decided to just not include them unless I really wanted a certain pin.

I'm very new to trading online but I used to see pinpics over the years. I remember the old site and I loved trading in the parks at WDW early 2000s. I miss that. But i should say that this summer, it was quite fun to trade at Epcot with mellow people.

And yeah, people should stop paying outrageous prices for pins.
 
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KT07 said:
Not sure what they do now. The site was made buy us pin fans years ago. I was not even here when it started. A couple members made the site for everyone to share and help build buy adding the pics of pins. Years later the site was sold. At that time many things changed and there was a new fee for new features. I can't list everything that went down but it was a lot of shady biz. I left here for some time and now that I'm back. It's like people are not knowing what happened of not willing to talk. I even asked about why we don't have our links back if everything is cool now and pinpricks are back to being nice. No anwser. I'm not sure if the still have any fee for some thing. But maybe some older member will finally chime in and help me and maybe others understand better.

WWWDD
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I can only speak for the 'new' PinPics site and my experience but there is no fee or subscription for using PinPics :) and it is still entirely a user-generated site, it would not survive without the many users who regularly submit new pins, update images, comments, etc! PinPics has always been reliant on the pin community and built on its generosity.

The only revenue that PinPics earns is made from selling an assortment of LE Pins available exclusively through http://shop.pinpics.com/, PPGS (PinPics Grading Service), as well as your typical banner-ads that appear on the side of the site.
 
I see the annoyance in people jumping right for your most valuable pins. Of course, value is subjective. I have a pin that I want to trade for a specific, graily pin. I'm hoping I'll eventually hit the right person who has the pin I want and wants the pin I have and figures that trade would make everyone happy. So far, no dice. And according to eBay there's about a $100 difference in monetary value (again, subjective) and the edition sizes are skewed (mine being higher). But I'm hoping that the value they see is in getting the pin they want. Perhaps I would be foolish to turn down a BT for a newer Designer, if offered, but I don't have any of those and only would want maybe two or three that fit my collection, I'm not really interested in them and until I googled it, I had no idea what Gomes pins were. Of course, I could be being picky with this one trade in particular, but refuse to pay $200 for something that would have been $20 three years ago at release and I probably could have gotten for $60 if I had thought to get it when released (I recogonize that it is cheaper to pay that than to fly to CA).

As for people only being interested in what's new and fabulous, it's hard to get older stuff. There are 10 year old pins I'd love to have but accept I probably won't get them because I don't own extras of what's new and fabulous or of what's old, rare, or otherwise wonderful. Again, value. So my collection consists of a lot of new and maybe fabulous, but most likely new and not super hot pins. I am an awful judge of what will be popular and thus rarely buy doubles unless someone asks me to pick something up for them when I'm up at WDW (which I'm happy to do, good in good out, ya know).

so, for the TL;DR: value is subjective and we all are annoyed at the over-valuation of these little pieces of metal.
 
I have been pin trading for over 14 years now and I can say that I haven't bought anything off of the "auction sites" for at least the past 5 years. My opinion is that people will ASK crazy prices for these little pieces of metal made in China and if someone PAYS that price this craziness will continue. This is not very complicated, there are pins I would like to have but there is no way I would pay anywhere near what people are asking on the sites.

I still am very active in the on-line trading community and I have been making slow and steady trades for years. As it has been said many times before, its the friendships you make in the hobby, the pins are secondary. If folks are asking outrageous prices for pins, let them hold them for years they will not get my funds.

Mike S.
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figment919 said:
I have been pin trading for over 14 years now and I can say that I haven't bought anything off of the "auction sites" for at least the past 5 years. My opinion is that people will ASK crazy prices for these little pieces of metal made in China and if someone PAYS that price this craziness will continue. This is not very complicated, there are pins I would like to have but there is no way I would pay anywhere near what people are asking on the sites.

I still am very active in the on-line trading community and I have been making slow and steady trades for years. As it has been said many times before, its the friendships you make in the hobby, the pins are secondary. If folks are asking outrageous prices for pins, let them hold them for years they will not get my funds.

Mike S.
Figment919
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Well said Mike. Im glad to see another old time member chime in for a bit. I think new people can learn a lot by knowing how things were and or are. No need to sugar coat things or spin it to make things better.

hope all is well with you buddy. Good luck with your collections.

WWWDD
 
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