• Guest, Help The DPF Community Thrive - Join Our Donation Drive Today!

    We're launching a special DPF Donation Drive to ensure our beloved forum continues to flourish. Your support is vital in helping us cover essential server costs and keep our community running smoothly — This is more than just a donation; it's an investment in the future of our community.

    Join us in this crucial drive and let's ensure our forum remains a vibrant and dynamic place for everyone.

    Please visit the DPF Donation Drive Thread for details and instructions on how you can make your donation today!

Seller of Counterfeit Pins Pleads GUILTY

Status
Not open for further replies.
Oh my Godddddddddd...the *excuses* that lawyer tried to spin!

Oh, we *swear* we thought it was legit! Also, those TVs just fell, right off the truck! ::rolls eyes::

It was interesting, though...the part about the DA saying they actually sent pins to China to have them run off extras. I wonder if that means they were trying to run Disney Auctions level scams (higher level pins), or if they really did just buy bulk hidden Mickey lots, as per usual. It seems like the Distract Attorney who tried a case like this would know how bad it is in China and about the overall scrapper situation (Disney would tell them, I would think), and would assume they just bought them from a source there. Makes me wonder what made them suspect that was going on...

Regardless, yay for the sentencing! Maybe it will deter at least SOME of the "casual" bootleggers. I imagine some will still think the benefit outweighs the potential of being caught, but at least some of them may give up the ghost.
 
im just curious about how much restitution they'll have to pay,and if he'll actually serve his full time.its just disgusting,the whole thing.glad justice is being served.wonder whats gonna happen to the other guy.
 
I'm surprised he only got 1 year and 3 years probation.
I would've thought the sentencing would've been longer.
At least he's getting SOME time in.
 
How long he spends in jail depends on whether he spent time in jail awaiting trial/his plea to guilty. If so, there is credit for time served at a higher rate (like 2 days credit for 1 day spent in jail), so he could be out earlier.

And, he could potentially serve it on weekends or do weekender community service.
 
Glad there was some punishment. Hopefully this will make scrapper buyers stop, but probably won't.

Moondance, that's a whole new story that can get rather messy.

Anyways... this thread will be bad if it isn't closed soon lol
 
Anyways... this thread will be bad if it isn't closed soon lol

Why?

promo-angry-mob.jpg
 
We're not safe until he's dead,
He'll come stalking us at night.
Said to sacrifice our children,
To his monstrous appetite.
He'll wreck havoc on our village,
If we let him wander free.
So it's time to take some action boys,
It's time to follow me.

Kill the Beast! You just gotta love Gaston!
 
Thanks for posting this, pisneydins.

I hope the jurors were wearing their thigh-high boots for the amount of b.s. the defense attorney was spewing! :eek2:

I will be interested to see how this progresses with the others, and also, if Disney will pursue civil suits (to try to get money from these criminals). They probably wouldn't get anything or much, but they can try, just to send a message to anyone else thinking they can get away with this crap.
 
The one with the prior convictions, Allred is next scheduled in court Oct. 12. He remains in custody on $1 million bail. He is not out on the streets. The prior convictions were over 30 years ago and he served out those sentences. In fact because of them this scheme could become his 3rd strike resulting in a life sentence.
 
Federal convictions are not elligible for early release, work release, nor parole. If sentenced to a year, he will do a year .. less time confined while awaiting trial.

How long he spends in jail depends on whether he spent time in jail awaiting trial/his plea to guilty. If so, there is credit for time served at a higher rate (like 2 days credit for 1 day spent in jail), so he could be out earlier.

And, he could potentially serve it on weekends or do weekender community service.
 
Oh my Godddddddddd...the *excuses* that lawyer tried to spin!

Oh, we *swear* we thought it was legit! Also, those TVs just fell, right off the truck! ::rolls eyes::

Didn't you know that EVERYTHING on Ebay is legit! JK!!!!
Glad the case didn't get over looked. Hope it grabs the attention of all Disney collectors.
 
Thanks for posting this, pisneydins.

I hope the jurors were wearing their thigh-high boots for the amount of b.s. the defense attorney was spewing! :eek2:

I will be interested to see how this progresses with the others, and also, if Disney will pursue civil suits (to try to get money from these criminals). They probably wouldn't get anything or much, but they can try, just to send a message to anyone else thinking they can get away with this crap.

The shiester attorney is playing to the TV/Press audience not the jury, due to the guilty plea. These may also be arguements he made before the judge or prosecutor attempting to get this light sentence for his client.

The half truths are hillarious.

1) legitimately obtained by Smyrak ... well technically true, He "did" pay for the counterfeit items to be made and be legitimately shipped to him. Just like the maker of fake "watches", "DVD/CD/Software", or counterfeit money could have a receipt for shipping and production. It doesn't make the items any less counterfeit or illegal to have.

2) business, which they thought was legitimate .... yep copyright infringement and unauthorized production and distribution of trademarked products would be legal. Yeah, sure, riiiiighhhhht..... This lie is so baldfaced that I'm amazed his attorney would say it. There is NO legitimate business that will just allow you to start cranking out say Apple Ipods or NFL shirts or "genuine" GM parts just because you want to sell them.

3) responded to ads from shippers in China who sell at a discount pins advertised as the products of an overrun or slightly damaged, and He got them at a good price from China and was running a business ..... likely both true. He probablly did, at first, start by responding to an advertisement. And while unethical, buying factory overruns or slightly damaged items is not illegal. But as all collectors know the term for these pins are SCRAPPERS. They are the bane of collecting and damaging to the hobby. But it is technically not illegal to sell them -- provided you do not pass them off as the genuine item and are not violating other copyright/tradmark laws. He broke the law when he did that and started sending back other times to be duplicated. He was just running a business on Ebay. *snort* ROLF, LMAF.. and Al Capone was just a nice guy trying to operate a distribution service and insurance firm. After all Big Al just didn't pay proper taxes on his profits. As for good price from China, the Chinese factories give everyone a good price. Thats why nearly everything is "Made in China" these days.

4) doubts the pins were worth $2 million. “This stuff is junk metal,” Feild said. “A lot of the pins are like the freebie giveaways Disney offers at the cash registers on special occasions. Where do we start on this one. You can start with the invoce total for what was actually paid for the fraud pins. Plus all the other pins that were subsequently found or attributed to the guilty party. Or you can use the prosecutor's numbers based on the requested sale price or retail price - likely 2X or 8x higher. As for "freebie giveaway", I believe the term is "gift with purchase" not worthless item with purchase. The "free gift" has a value which still counts. Not to mention it is now "pin with purchase" where you have to pay a token $1 to $3 to get the pin. Perhaps Feild means "hidden mickey" or "cast lanyard" pins. But once again those pins aren't really free either. In IRS terms you're conducting barter. A valuable item "pin" in return for an item of value "another pin". Considering the most "cheap" legitimate pin purchases as part of a set of 7 at the park is roughtly $3 - 5, you can once again determine the real cost of this "free" excuse me in attorney speak "worthless, metal" item.

Personally I'm with the prosecutor on this one. The confession is very clear, he pled guilty "to importing $2 million worth of counterfeit Disney pins from China that he and a co-conspirator planned to sell online as genuine collectibles." If any of the above statements held weight, we would be reading about a trial and likely longer sentence, not a guilty plea. Even then he likley made a deal to lower the total amount of the fraud to get just the one year sentence.
 
Federal convictions are not elligible for early release, work release, nor parole. If sentenced to a year, he will do a year .. less time confined while awaiting trial.

According to the article, it looks like he pled to a state crime (that's why he is sentenced by a superior court judge, rather than a district judge and why a DDA, not an AUSA is the prosecutor). That's why it's jail, not prison too (one year or less, you spend in jail for state crimes; more than one year, it's prison for state). As I recall, feds don't have "jails" just "prisons" (or do they call them "facilities?") Even though he was investigated by the feds, it looks like they prosecuted him for state crimes (although the feds could potentially go after him for federal crimes).
 
The shiester attorney

I am sorry...but I have to chime in here. Mr. Feild is not to be faulted or criticized here. He is doing his job and his job is to defend his client. I don't care that you disagree with his arguments, but personal attacks are not necessary. Feild is a well-repected attorney in the community. You should be happy the defendant used a private attorney, as we tax payers do not have to foot the bill.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top