33 pinocchio pins

[KT07]

I think we can all agree that grabbing a pin from someone's hands is uncool. No one's contesting that.

-JD

but thats how u have to treat others to get just the right movie pin...and all the ppl want the pin...so the pearson that act like this is looked at as being so nice and helpful. at least everyone that buys,,,,not the ppl that had the pin taken away from them..... neat story...always more truth that sum like to leave out.....

 

[disneyfreak619]

can we also agree buying 35+ 50+ pins at a time is also uncool and if you buy a couple for a friend sell them at cost not for a profit no matter how small if your going to do a favor for a friend do them the favor its a friend

 

[erudolf]

but thats how u have to treat others to get just the right movie pin...and all the ppl want the pin...so the pearson that act like this is looked at as being so nice and helpful. at least everyone that buys,,,,not the ppl that had the pin taken away from them..... neat story...always more truth that sum like to leave out.....

I'm not sure who is leaving out anything....some of the people posting in this thread (like me) don't live near a park and don't see this stuff happening first hand and don't know who you are referring to. Our silence isn't condoning it by any means, we just can't comment on it. Pushing, shoving, grabbing....not ok. But that is about as far as I can go with that topic. I'm not seeing it fist hand so anything that is told to me would just be hearsay.

I can tell you are frustrated, and it sounds like it is with someone in particular, but I don't know what to tell ya when the facts can't (and probably shouldn't) really be aired out here. :dunno:

 

[KT07]

lol...i think ur right 619... but ppl dont see that even a little adds up....i think its wrong to buy 50 pins..even if u give them away to one armed babys....ok thats harsh...but the point is...2 pins pre store...thats for all of us....not just for ppl that dont have a in side track to Cms that brack the rule each month.... seems clear cut and dry...but than agian..my dad did 27 years in the USMC. Myb in sum ppls world its ok to bend or out right break rulls when u say its to help..or if ur a nice guy.... sounds like bs to me...but ok....like i siad...sum day ppl or myself will see and get names of ppl that help do this.. Pin karma is a mother F... and cool part is the truth always comes out...even if ppl dont like it... so thats all that needs to b said ..if u break the ruls and treat ppl bad...it will catch u..even if u sell pins to try and b nice...lmao

 

[erudolf]

can we also agree buying 35+ 50+ pins at a time is also uncool and if you buy a couple for a friend sell them at cost not for a profit no matter how small if your going to do a favor for a friend do them the favor its a friend

As someone that can get completely shafted if people don't do this....sorry, I just can't agree to that. If we were talking an LE 100 - absolutely, I 100% agree. An LE 2000....not so much.

As long as the Cast Members are doing their job and not letting people buy more than 2 in any given transaction and making them circle back around to get in line, there should be ample opportunity for people that are there to get pins. If they aren't doing their jobs....well, that's a matter to take up with Disney.

I kind of chuckle because if a CM give a family some fast passes or ushers them to the front of a line, that's a magical experience. But if a CM lets someone break the rules a little bit and buy a few more pins it is outrageous!!! (Don't freak out because I said a few and the conversation has been about 35 - I say a few more pins because I doubt any CM is letting this person buy 35 pins all in one shot. This person is probably moving from store to store and making numerous transactions.) Anyways, I know the scenarios are completely different....but I just find it ironic....

 

[creativextremeties]

I'm just sad i won't be able to get one at a normal price with my pass-holder discount

 

[KT07]

sorry..dont get me wrong..i like everyone...the info i am trlling u is from a thread here,....if u want to read it...its in anything gose...its called" going no mercy at dlr" im not sure that they would lie about ppl treating others bad.. the pin grab was out of his girls hands...and thats just one exsample.... what it comes down to..is u cant walk around and get the best 35-50pins.. i say that number bcause i was told that the day i went...those were the numbers a un named member saw walking out with these 3 ppl....and yes one store....may have rung up 2 or 3 sells..but i doubt it was 17-25 sells of 2 pins.... but i get what u are saying....mayb read the other thread....and just a heads up...im sure mods and other members are looking into it. like i said...pin karma is a mother.... my be im like a cops kid...were im rasied to do the right thing as much as i can and not bend rules to make my life easyer.... i hope u can get that and not think im just sum mad guy....funny part is im happy with my one pan pin.... i just dont like to see others have bad crap go down...and this buying 35-50 pins....is bad crap for sure.. thank u

 

[disneyfreak619]

As long as the Cast Members are doing their job and not letting people buy more than 2 in any given transaction and making them circle back around to get in line, there should be ample opportunity for people that are there to get pins. If they aren't doing their jobs....well, that's a matter to take up with Disney

I must just be getting mean cms because I was at lgm and I didnt like the 4 pins they showed me (all jiminy) so I got back in line, waited , and when it was my turn again they told me I couldnt see any more I already saw my 4

 

[heyyouwannatrade]

I for one am so happy this seller puts them up at those prices with actual pics. It is well worth it for me as I am not near the parks to buy them and don't always have somebody who is able to pick them up for me. On times like that I so happy that I can go to the bay and pick out a couple of scenes I like at just a little over what I would have spent at the parks. Would I rather get them for exactly cost? Sure I would but if this is my next best option I will sure take it. Look at the prices of the others up there. EEK!

 

[RaChEltheRabidRabbit]

I have seen a seller out of FL sell about 40 or so of them for the bargain price of $24.99. How do they sell them so cheap yet after Ebay & Paypal fees still turn a profit? Only answer I can come up with is that they are jiggy with CM's who can buy those at half price. Or they are CMs themselves.

It is not that this person is "jiggy" with a Cast Member but that the Cast Member, probably named Ed, at DTD, sold the person however many they wanted because he just doesn't give a hoot. He just doesn't want to deal with it and I think he should be reported for breaking Disney's rules. He did the same thing for the Peter Pan pin I know for a fact because my parents were there and they heard him bragging about selling over 30 of those pins to 3 people!!!

 

[scottydem]

I totally agree. I think people just need to stop throwing around the term "shark" so much. Not willing to trade an older pin at cost? Sharking. Trying to buy new pins to trade them for older stuff? Sharking. Reselling a pin you bought? Sharking. Wanting to trade up a bunch of smaller pins for an LE? Sharking. Wanting to trade an LE down into multiple pins of less worth? Sharking. Shark shark shark shark. The word has no meaning anymore. Haha


If you don't want to trade with someone, or you don't want to buy from a particular seller, that's cool. But I'm admittedly getting kind of tired of people labeling anyone who doesn't agree with their exact trading style a "shark". It's a collectibility-driven hobby. We're not all going to get what we all want all the time, at the price we believe we should be able to get it. It wouldn't be any fun if we could.


-JD

I just think this is the definition of sharking. And it's not like they're even trying to hide it.

As someone that can get completely shafted if people don't do this....sorry, I just can't agree to that. If we were talking an LE 100 - absolutely, I 100% agree. An LE 2000....not so much.

As long as the Cast Members are doing their job and not letting people buy more than 2 in any given transaction and making them circle back around to get in line, there should be ample opportunity for people that are there to get pins. If they aren't doing their jobs....well, that's a matter to take up with Disney.

I kind of chuckle because if a CM give a family some fast passes or ushers them to the front of a line, that's a magical experience. But if a CM lets someone break the rules a little bit and buy a few more pins it is outrageous!!! (Don't freak out because I said a few and the conversation has been about 35 - I say a few more pins because I doubt any CM is letting this person buy 35 pins all in one shot. This person is probably moving from store to store and making numerous transactions.) Anyways, I know the scenarios are completely different....but I just find it ironic....

33 / 2000 = 60.7

So, it's technically it's like this person is taking 1 pin out of 60. A lot worse than taking 1 pin out of 100.

And not that many stores offer these PoMH pins, even in WDW. This person would probably have to use other people and go to every single store IF they aren't being helped by a CM to cheat the system.

 

[disneyfreak619]

33 / 2000 = 60.7

So, it's technically it's like this person is taking 1 pin out of 60. A lot worse than taking 1 pin out of 100.

And not that many stores offer these PoMH pins, even in WDW. This person would probably have to use other people and go to every single store IF they aren't being helped by a CM to cheat the system.

also they are le 2000 but theres really only maybe what 400 good cels if that

 

[scottydem]

also they are le 2000 but theres really only maybe what 400 good cels if that

Yes. And although there supposedly isn't any "bad" cells- it will naturally occur that even some of the cells that appear to be good will actually be lower priced compared to others perhaps with Pinocchio AND Jiminy.

 

[erudolf]

I just think this is the definition of sharking. And it's not like they're even trying to hide it.

I just can't wrap my head around this so I have to ask....

Right now you have this pin listed in your sale thread for $50
Pin 80503: DisneyStore.com - New Orleans Halloween Masquerade Set - Jiminy Cricket as Dr. Facilier Only

The retail price of that pin was $24.99. So that's $25 above retail. The eBay selling in question is selling $19.99 pins for $24.99 - $5 above retail. So, they would have to sell 5 pins to be dollar for dollar on markup even though their markup is 25% of retail and yours is 100%. So, what am I missing here?

Why do they get the label of shark just because of volume when when almost every other seller on eBay right now is at 100%+ markup? Why aren't people angry at that?

 

[scottydem]

I just can't wrap my head around this so I have to ask....

Right now you have this pin listed in your sale thread for $50
Pin 80503: DisneyStore.com - New Orleans Halloween Masquerade Set - Jiminy Cricket as Dr. Facilier Only

The retail price of that pin was $24.99. So that's $25 above retail. The eBay selling in question is selling $19.99 pins for $24.99 - $5 above retail. So, they would have to sell 5 pins to be dollar for dollar on markup even though their markup is 25% of retail and yours is 100%. So, what am I missing here?

Why do they get the label of shark just because of volume when when almost every other seller on eBay right now is at 100%+ markup? Why aren't people angry at that?

I actually paid 32 for it in a co-op when it was originally released and was asked by multiple people if I would consider selling it. I didn't by 33 of this pin, nor did I use Ebay, or buy it just for the purpose of selling it. In fact, it's almost been a year since its release. This argument can be made for anyone selling pins, yet I'm glad you targeted me. Thanks for the attempt.

 

[erudolf]

I actually paid 32 for it in a co-op when it was originally released and was asked by multiple people if I would consider selling it. I didn't by 33 of this pin, nor did I use Ebay, or buy it just for the purpose of selling it. In fact, it's almost been a year since its release. This argument can be made for anyone selling pins, yet I'm glad you targeted me. Thanks for the attempt.

Still, 18/32 is a 56.25% markup and I didn't count tax for the pins this person bought either.

So as long as you don't buy it with the intention of selling or trading and just decide to get rid of it, then it is ok to mark a pin up? That....it just makes no sense to me. And, buying one LE 125 and selling it would represent 0.8% of the pins available. Buying 33 of an LE 2000 would be 1.65% of the pins available. So...that would be like them buying two or three of an LE 125 which people do all the time. The only difference is that they usually mark them up way higher.

And I am not targeting you. You targeted this seller by saying they are a shark and I am defending them. A shark is someone who takes blatant advantage of someone else and at this seller's prices I can't see how that is anywhere justified. They are providing a great service to a lot of us who don't live near the park. So, some people who do live there might not get exactly what they want all of the time because of it....boo freakin' hoo. They have a Disney Park that they can go to on a regular or semi-regular basis. They have perks I can only dream about. I just don't have a lot of sympathy for this scenario.

And, as I have said before, I have no problem with anyone selling a pin at fair market value even if it is at markup. But to criticize someone giving a lot of disadvantaged people the chance at a pin at a fair price while selling your own pin at markup is hypocritical.

Bottom line, if this seller didn't buy these then someone else would have and judging by the other prices on eBay they would have tried to get a lot more out of them.

 

[scottydem]

Still, 18/32 is a 56.25% markup and I didn't count tax for the pins this person bought either.

So as long as you don't buy it with the intention of selling or trading and just decide to get rid of it, then it is ok to mark a pin up? That....it just makes no sense to me. And, buying one LE 125 and selling it would represent 0.8% of the pins available. Buying 33 of an LE 2000 would be 1.65% of the pins available. So...that would be like them buying two or three of an LE 125 which people do all the time. The only difference is that they usually mark them up way higher.

And I am not targeting you. You targeted this seller by saying they are a shark and I am defending them. A shark is someone who takes blatant advantage of someone else and at this seller's prices I can't see how that is anywhere justified. They are providing a great service to a lot of us who don't live near the park. So, some people who do live there might not get exactly what they want all of the time because of it....boo freakin' hoo. They have a Disney Park that they can go to on a regular or semi-regular basis. They have perks I can only dream about. I just don't have a lot of sympathy for this scenario.

And, as I have said before, I have no problem with anyone selling a pin at fair market value even if it is at markup. But to criticize someone giving a lot of disadvantaged people the chance at a pin at a fair price while selling your own pin at markup is hypocritical.

Bottom line, if this seller didn't buy these then someone else would have and judging by the other prices on eBay they would have tried to get a lot more out of them.

Okay, here's where I'm confused: are you trying to imply I'm against all selling of pins? No. I'm very clearly not. I'm against someone buying 33 of the same pin, selling on Ebay right away, and then people actually celebrating it. That's my personal issue.

And it's actually an LE 100. I'm selling it for that markup because personally I love the pin, and if I am going to sell it then I'm not going to sell it for what I paid almost a year ago.

And I'm still going to think they are a shark, and let's agree to disagree on that point. POMH pins are already such a blatant pin disaster waiting to happen that it makes me sick, and makes me sick to know people are getting away with these rules of limits that everyone should have to follow. And I have a feeling this person has a tie or is a CM abusing their discount for profit. I'd love to be proven wrong though because I don't think anyone is that low.

 

[Gloomy]

can we also agree buying 35+ 50+ pins at a time is also uncool and if you buy a couple for a friend sell them at cost not for a profit no matter how small if your going to do a favor for a friend do them the favor its a friend

To be honest, I actually don't really care if someone is buying 30+ pins from an LE 2000 release to resell them. There's a demand for the pins, so some people are going to swoop in to make a buck. It happens, and by engaging in a collectibility-driven hobby, I really just expect it. Like Erudolf, I think that as long as someone is being limited to 2 pins per transaction, it's fine. If I didn't want to deal with this kind of thing, I wouldn't be in a collectible hobby. I've missed out on pins I've wanted due to quick sell-outs fueled by people getting multiples to trade or resell. I can deal with that.


I will say that I loved the idea of PoDM pins being blind-bagged. It seems like that might make the experience a bit more fun with the addition of randomization, while definitely removing alot of the elements that are detracting from the fun of the release days (people digging through as many pins as they can for what feels like hours; all the "good scenes" being gone early in the release day, et cetera). It would certainly be fair. Though I bet alot of peoples' immediate reaction to that suggestion would be to say that it wouldn't be fair for them to NOT get to choose the exact scene they want.


-JD

 

[RaChEltheRabidRabbit]

Like Erudolf, I think that as long as someone is being limited to 2 pins per transaction, it's fine.

That is the problem though, there are some Cast Members like Ed at WDW DTD, that are selling people more than just 1 of these pins to people because they do not care if they follow the rules or not. I really think Cast Members like Ed who are doing this should be reported. If the Cast Members can't follow the rules, why should the customers?

 

[charlesu]

I got several nice ones this week. WDW has plenty of great Pinocchio pins. I got two of him and a great Jiminy (why doesnt anyone want Jiminy?)

 

[iamdisneydan]

I totally agree. I think people just need to stop throwing around the term "shark" so much. Not willing to trade an older pin at cost? Sharking. Trying to buy new pins to trade them for older stuff? Sharking. Reselling a pin you bought? Sharking. Wanting to trade up a bunch of smaller pins for an LE? Sharking. Wanting to trade an LE down into multiple pins of less worth? Sharking. Shark shark shark shark. The word has no meaning anymore. Haha


If you don't want to trade with someone, or you don't want to buy from a particular seller, that's cool. But I'm admittedly getting kind of tired of people labeling anyone who doesn't agree with their exact trading style a "shark". It's a collectibility-driven hobby. We're not all going to get what we all want all the time, at the price we believe we should be able to get it. It wouldn't be any fun if we could.


-JD

YOU ARE A WORD SHARK! Shark used to have a specific meaning. Now, like scrapper it is used for everything. If you are Kleenex, I guess thats good since people use it as a generic term for even scott tissue but Pin Shark HAS been abused and is just a word now. The meaning it once had which was meaningful is gone.....

 

[iamdisneydan]

and after reading the entire thread and all of you talking long enough, you are starting to disagree on minor things and twist what everyone says. I can see flames a brewing. People who are taken out of context or not conveying what they want to say absolutely properly and then people trying to explain themselves. It never ends......

 

[nursek8]

I must just be getting mean cms because I was at lgm and I didnt like the 4 pins they showed me (all jiminy) so I got back in line, waited , and when it was my turn again they told me I couldnt see any more I already saw my 4

LGM staff like to make up their own rules about only looking at 4 cells period! they are THE ONLY store to do this. none of the others do it. It happened to me and I asked to speak to the supervisor. i asked when did this happen and why. it isnt posted and this is the only store doing this and how can the rules be different from store to store. I then got to look at a few more pin cells.

 

[nursek8]

ok Everyone take a deep breath blow it our repeat 2 more times and relax. this is getting out of hand. Name calling and all. Unfortunatly there will allways be people who bend and or break the rules. Nothing you say or do will make it stop. I personally have seen a certain seller buy more than the allotted amount thru a certain CM. this was reported to the higher ups, the suits came down took statements from the 6 of us who witnessed this and the results : 2 years later the CM and the seller are both still around and active! nothing happened. they said it didnt show up on the register receipts. I said of course not if they did it 2 at a time and in cash! said "suit" " oh i didnt think of that." still nothing was done. this was 2 years ago people and it still goes on, life goes on.

As to the "grabbing" of pins if i had been first in line to look at pins and someone who came in after me grabbed some to look at because they could not wait their turn to look I would have grabbed them back and told them to wait their turn, first come first serve. and to the person who grabs a bag of pins out of a cast members hands, WOW.

as for the person getting 35 of them to sell at cost to people not near the parks. It is done with alot of walking, multple locations, 2 at a time and a day that is over 12 hours. and then back the next day for more. It doesnt happen in one store nor in less than 1/2 day either. and they dont get the "best" the 1st time either. they take what they can and then go try and trade them in for a better one later.


Lets stop the childish name calling, the slamming and be adult about it people. and if you were not there in person to see the whole "event" happen, please refrain from slamming on a post, (where all can read) before you have 100% of the actual facts behind the "event". No more of the "well a friend of a friend told me this" we all know how stories get blown out of preportion by the time it has been relayed thru a few people.

Lets just stop this now please.

 

[chaboo]

I totally agree. I think people just need to stop throwing around the term "shark" so much. Not willing to trade an older pin at cost? Sharking. Trying to buy new pins to trade them for older stuff? Sharking. Reselling a pin you bought? Sharking. Wanting to trade up a bunch of smaller pins for an LE? Sharking. Wanting to trade an LE down into multiple pins of less worth? Sharking. Shark shark shark shark. The word has no meaning anymore. Haha


If you don't want to trade with someone, or you don't want to buy from a particular seller, that's cool. But I'm admittedly getting kind of tired of people labeling anyone who doesn't agree with their exact trading style a "shark". It's a collectibility-driven hobby. We're not all going to get what we all want all the time, at the price we believe we should be able to get it. It wouldn't be any fun if we could.


-JD

I totally agree with this. And with the way releases have been going at DLR, I'd pay the $5 markup from that seller to not be shoved and to not have to deal with people who grab whole racks of the pins and hoard several at a time while they wait for their whole family to show up and buy them all.

While 33 pins from one seller sounds ridiculous and unfair, who knows how they got the pins? They could've had everyone and their mom get in line and buy their allotted two per person. Its annoying but they (hypothetically) followed the rules. Where I have the real problem is where there is blatant rule breaking in order to get the pins. I guess the point I'm trying to make is why so quick to judge? If you don't like a seller's practices, hit them where it hurts and don't buy from them.