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Bidder/ buyer beware Jessica as Alice and queen of hearts

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Bidder/ buyer beware Jessica as Alice and queen of hearts
Bid on them...win them...and let us know. :)
 
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"Bid on them...win them...and let us know. :) "
For your information I often buy lots of known counterfeit pins, inspect them and I have turned them in to Disney officials with the name of the seller and their address. Did not seem to do any good, some of the people who tried to help have been moved to other departments. I still buy lots from suspect sellers and if they are counterfeit I report them to ICE. I leave negative feedback and ask for and so far always receive a refund. Doesn't seem to do any good thought, sellers still selling 10's of thousands of counterfeit pins in large lots weekly.
I just do not believe that there are counterfeits of Pluto as Dragon and would love to see a picture of one. Why would I buy one when I already have Three.
 
bretu, there are counterfeits of Pluto as Maleficent Dragon. I have seen them in known scrapper sellers pictures on ebay in "trader lots". I have not seen them lately but they were there not too long ago.

I have no reason to make up this information.
 
Here is the best comparison I could do of the Jessica as Alice. The left most pin is the pin in question, the middle one is mine with flash and the right one is mine without flash. I also did a close up of her face and did one with grid lines.

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I am not a Mali or Pluto collector. Neither do I have this pin in authentic or scrapper form. But, i know a thing or two about this seller as she has been on my watch list for over a year. I have seen her sell this particular pin multiple times, and almost always without the backing card - more on this a wee bit later. But, I also noted that recently her LE pins come on backing cards, which are really not hard to produce or purchase.

On Ebay, I checked her feedback starting on 2011, here is what I found in her feedback about this Pluto as Maleficent pin:

**2011**

Feb 27
March 11
March 12
April 10
April 29
May 3
May 4 x 2*
May 21
Jun 02*
Jul 07
Aug 01
Sept 01
Sept 07
Oct 01
Oct 12
Oct 17
Oct 20
Nov 20
Dec 12
Dec 13
Dec 26
** 2012 **
Jan 07
Feb 12
Feb 18

She has one more auction on the way right now, so this makes a total of 26 pins out of the 250 sold by Disney. And these are from the buyers who bothered to leave feedback, but there might be more who did not leave fb for various reasons.

While it is not impossible to have 26 of the same pin, it is not too likely either IMO.

Now a word about the backing cards: Let's assume she is a 100% honest seller who managed to purchase 20+ pins from Disney with the intention of re-selling. Why would one get rid off the backing cards in this case? If you look at her Feb auctions, you see that there is no card included.

The dates marked with an * are when DPF members left the feedback for her. If you want more info on this pin, maybe you can try contacting these members.

Also, she has a negative feedback on her Jessica as Alice pin on Dec 20th 2011. That feedback is from a very well known Ebay seller and also a member of DPF.

I will let the numbers speak for themselves.
 
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The lips and eyes seem to be different. Is yours outlined in a gold color erudolph?

This makes me sad. I've had Jess as Alice and Maleficent before and knowing that I cannot gaurantee getting an authentic one now is upsetting.
 
bretu, I stumbled upon the evidence. Go search this on ebay: Disney Lot of 10 Cast Lanyard Hidden Mickey Trader Pins Set B16
 
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Awesome investigative skills Merryweather. We still need Jessica as Alice, my wife collects Alice but we try to steer clear of any pin that is a known counterfeit. What a shame. Thanks again.
 
I remember awhile ago someone was trading for lots of backer cards. Can't remember when or where, but it might have been Dizpins (not sure-could have been DPF). Does anyone else remember someone trading, buying backer cards.
 
dis22 said:
The Jessica as queen of hearts that I received had a few dimples. It was not the real pin.
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Definitey not the case anymore. I purchased legitimate pins from Walt Disney World recently and a few of them had dimples in them.
 
She is questioning the pin on the black card, the one to the far left as you look at the pictures. I cannot see a difference between the real and the questioned pin at all. I do see the colors are different, but that could be the camera. The real pin is by itself with a light background and the questionable pin has a black card behind it, which is why it could look darker.
 
I see one difference in these pics:

The fake one, the one on the black card - Look at her hand on the left side where she holds her skirt. There is a white thin piece running between her hand and waist right on top of her blue skirt.

Also, the eyeball seems to be bigger in the authentic pin, but that can be a simple manufacturing difference.

The authentic pins seems to have a gold outline whereas the lines in the fake one seem to be black - that too can be from camera.

So, IMO, al in all, the white extra piece next to the skirt is the major difference.
 
Oh, yeah, I do see the white you are talking about. Have you seen the photo pinpics has of this? It has white in places too, like by the sleeves, to the left of the apron as you face the picture. Also, there are strange red marks on her face and a spot of white in her hair. How odd is this?
 
Merryweather said:
I see one difference in these pics:

The fake one, the one on the black card - Look at her hand on the left side where she holds her skirt. There is a white thin piece running between her hand and waist right on top of her blue skirt.

Also, the eyeball seems to be bigger in the authentic pin, but that can be a simple manufacturing difference.

The authentic pins seems to have a gold outline whereas the lines in the fake one seem to be black - that too can be from camera.

So, IMO, al in all, the white extra piece next to the skirt is the major difference.
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I think the white you are referring to is just shine off the metal. :dunno:

The main things that strike me are the following:

1) Her pupil in the left pin is way too small

2) The angle of her facial features seems to be off. I could tell right off the bat that something was "not right" with her face but it is really difficult to pin point. That is why I added the grid lines. In the left picture her eye seems to extend farther to the right and seems to be shaped slightly different.

3) Something is also bothering me about her lips but I can't place it. In my pin she looks "pouty" but in the other one she looks like she got punched in the mouth. When you isolate the lips they really don't look that different but when looking at the bigger picture something just seems off. Actually....now that I'm looking at it again I think it is the top lip that seems off to me and previously I was focusing on the bottom lip. The slope of her top lip doesn't look right.

4) I think her proportions are a bit off. I tried the best I could to size and angle my piture to the left most picture. I am unable to show this, but I had both pictures in Excel when I was trying to line them up and in Excel when you drag one picture over another it drags a transparent image until you drop it. I drug my picture over the left most image and was able to line up her head, hair, chest, and arm on the right perfectly.....but when those were all lined up perfectly, her arm on the left, skirt, and legs were all off. In comparison to the top half of her body, the skirt on the left pin seems slightly smaller than on mine.


This is all up for debate of course because it is very difficult to compare two pictures, but these are the things I see.
 
Maybe this will show what I am trying to explain. In the first set of pictures I am just starting to drag the image over so that you can see how the transparent image looks.

I then lined up her head and right arm. See how it almost looks like one pin on the top because It lines up so well but on the bottom the images don't line up the same. Her apron is off, the folds of her skirt, her feet, etc. Granted, some could be due to the different images and/or resizing but it just doesn't look right to me.

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Wow Erica, you are so clever! I see the differences you are pointing out now. I can understand the pupil being smaller, but the pin itself should fit exactly over the real one if it was made from the same mold, right? This is incredible! What little difference though, which is what makes it scary. We would not notice it if we did not have the authentic pin on hand to compare.
 
Disney Lot of 10 Cast Lanyard Hidden Mickey Trader Pins Set B16
I am bidding on this lot and will do a comparison with the ones I purchased from Disneyshopping if I win the lot.
 
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