Hake's Fall Auction - Catalog is up, for auctions closing mid-November

At the risk of making the forum go boom, but in the interest in that knowledge is power, and we should be an informed collector base about what pins are being offered for sale, at what prices and eventually what final prices were...

The Hake's Fall Auction catalog is set to be posted tomorrow 10/29. I noticed it via a banner ad on Pinpics, indicating that there will be more graded Pinpics pins offered.

It will be Auction #210 Closing Nov 19-21

I'll update this post with details of what is being offered when the catalog goes live.

I'm curious if they will introduce "soft-graded" non-encapsulated pins this time, or just the full-graded, encapsulated ones from the first auction. Also curious, if the pins will be similar to what was offered before, meaning will we see more PODM, BT, and Princess pins or will we see other types of DA pins and other types of pins in general.

I'm also hoping that this thread will make it longer than a day or two. oke: :lol:

Update: Pins are listed. http://www.hakes.com/search.asp?depth=100&Auction=210&SearchOpen=1&CategoryID=631 and for some reason 3 are listed in a different category: http://www.hakes.com/search.asp?Auction=210&SearchOpen=1&CategoryID=508

More R/C Girls, more PODMs, more "Tink As", Designer Princesses

New types: Park mystery chaser pins, Paris Pin Trading Nights, and some other park pins

I'm curious about what pins they may have, but that is all. The high price means I probably won't be able to afford it...

I believe Kilian (kiljoy667) had a pin accepted for the upcoming auction - I think it was an Ariel R/C PP pin. I don't think he wanted his pin encapsulated but I don't remember.

Some listings will have the sellers name listed, and not all pins will be sold by PinPics group. However, Still, the Hakes auction to me is still able to be manipulated. The buyer is never revealed even to the seller. So there is no way for ANYONE to say who bought a pin. PinPics apparently reached out to some pin sellers/collectors and offered to grade pins and have them in this round of auctions. But to me it means nothing unless we actually know it isn't being manipulated by the same buyer(s). Hakes never provides buyer info, even to the seller. Convenient if you want to hide shill bidding and/or over-paying for proof of concept.

Eh, to each their own. The last auction didn't seem to affect the going price for any of the pins they auctioned off (or at least not that I've heard of. If I'm wrong, please correct me.) what I wonder is who is purchasing these graded pins. Are they Disney pin collectors like us (and keeping their purchase quiet), or general Disney collectors? Maybe someone who is purchasing them as an investment for the future? If these pins can be found elsewhere at a lower price, it makes me think that the people purchasing these pins are non-pin collectors.

How do I sign up to bid? I may want to bid on some

I am wondering the same thing hahahahaha

starry_solo said:

How do I sign up to bid? I may want to bid on some

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Just go to the Hake's website and register. You need to provide a valid credit card number and expiration date.

hopemax said:

Just go to the Hake's website and register. You need to provide a valid credit card number and expiration date.

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That's it?! Okay, hopefully it doesn't have to be one that has no limit, lol

I am completely unaffected by this, as I'm not a high-end buyer/seller and I don't have the financial means to play in this particular playground. At most, I have a passing interest in what other's might consider a popular pin is worth.

markheardjr said:

Some listings will have the sellers name listed, and not all pins will be sold by PinPics group. However, Still, the Hakes auction to me is still able to be manipulated. The buyer is never revealed even to the seller. So there is no way for ANYONE to say who bought a pin. PinPics apparently reached out to some pin sellers/collectors and offered to grade pins and have them in this round of auctions. But to me it means nothing unless we actually know it isn't being manipulated by the same buyer(s). Hakes never provides buyer info, even to the seller. Convenient if you want to hide shill bidding and/or over-paying for proof of concept.

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Not trying to start a fight, Just asking, what does it matter who the buyer is? Ebay doesn't reveal buyer info to the public. Only to the seller to know where to ship the product purchased. Since the Auction house is handling the merchandise at time of auction and distributing said merchandise upon payment, what does the seller need to know who bought it? I know as long as i got my money I wouldn't care.

I'm not sure why it would matter who the buyer is either. I understand concerns about shill bidding but other than that.....

The reason it matters the seller know who the buyer is is because PinPics invited certain other sellers to join this auction. I speculate that is their attempt to prove that the auctions are not rigged. But you still can't prove anything. For all we know, PinPics will just buy Killians Ariel PP. He would never know. I still think the first round of auctions was hyped and overbid by the same people selling them. All they lose is the commission and that is a tax right off for cost of doing business so they lose nothing. Same thing will happen with this auction. The pick just 1 or 2 others to auction pins and buy them out. So Killian may get paid, he probably doesn't care who buys it, but does that proove the concept that graded pins sell 2x or 3x the normal eBay going rate? Not in my book. For that to happen I'd have to know that the pin was sold/shipped to someone other than a vested interest party. I don't need their info, but I'd take Killians word if it went to someone on the forum that didn't want to be known. However, with only 1 or 2 new sellers, it's still able to be manipulated. I'd have to see many more sellers with a larger variety of pins before I'd believe any of it, or a buyer that isn't afraid to come forward after and say "I did pay that much." Not just, "I bid this much becasue, but didn't win."

While I share your concern about shill bidding to prove the concept of graded pin.... I doubt it will happen, BUT I do see your point Mark.

I am sure that Hakes, for legal reasons, does know who is bidding, and who wins and would watch for indications of such an action. The last thing a large auction house would want is allegations of shill bidding being permited by them. IP addresses can be monitored, and since bidders need their credit card info that means that if bidders with the same names or credit info started bidding against eachother it would be obvious and red flagged by a simple computer program.

I sincerely doubt Hakes Auction house would permit shill bidding as it would make them look bad and drive business away in the long run.

Hakes deals in ALL kinds of collectibles, not just pins. This makes them more reputible, not less. They have been doing this for years, and I too doubt that they would risk their business by allowing underhanded actions to occur as well.

Does anyone know if an objective list of criteria were ever released for how these pins were graded? It always struck me as weird that all of the auction pins were 9.0 out of 10.0 or higher. What does a 9.0 pin look like? It is museum quality or scrapper quality. Just wondering...

Maybe they will have another R/C Rapunzel and it will go for $10,000!!

I'll check out what pins they have up, my Wants are really small so I highly doubt they'll put anything I want up, but if they do, I wouldn't say no to trying to bid on it (unless the pin is encapsulated in which case the value just went to $0 and 0 cents...unless it's Ariel Nouveau, that's always in my mind :lol

I'm sure you can liberate the pin, if you get a good deal. We can start the Pin Liberation Front (PLF), and make it our mission to free enslaved pins...

Their "graded" R/C Rapunzel had more flaws than both of mine. I don't trust the grading or PinPics.

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I'm sure you can liberate the pin, if you get a good deal. We can start the Pin Liberation Front (PLF), and make it our mission to free enslaved pins...

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Sign me up! I hate the idea of encapsulating pins.

unibear said:

I'm sure you can liberate the pin, if you get a good deal. We can start the Pin Liberation Front (PLF), and make it our mission to free enslaved pins...

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Its probably difficult... but not impossible. I don't like the idea of encapsulating pins either.

It kinda takes away the fun of pin trading...doesn't it??

drb195 said:

Hakes deals in ALL kinds of collectibles, not just pins. This makes them more reputible, not less. They have been doing this for years, and I too doubt that they would risk their business by allowing underhanded actions to occur as well.

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When my Dad and I were discussing the values and how much they varied from the normal prices, and if there could be "shenanigans," we theorized that any questionable action would have to be done entirely offline, unbeknownst to Hakes. The bidding process, payment, all would be completely normal and expected, One of the things we thought of was, one party could let specific people know that there would be a certain pin up for auction, and they should bid whatever it took to win the auction. Then they would come back after the fact, and there would be a "renegotiation" of the price. So buyer wanted to pay $1200, but the price was $1800. Quietly, the $600 would make it's way back to the buyer. Or even additional pins handed over at a pin trading night or in a pin release line somewhere. And a more sophisticated scam would have multiple buyers, located in different states, not one or two buyers winning all the lots.

This is just brainstorming how something like this could go down, not that something like this is occurring. The pin world can be pretty shady, otherwise the whole counterfeiting/pin laundering situation would not be as big as it is, nor the DSF release escalation, or a million of other crappy things that we have had experience with. Some sort of manipulation in that type of world...not that much of a stretch. Which is probably why so many people are having a bad feeling. With everything we know goes down, how can we be sure this is legitimate? It's a natural reaction to having been "burned" before. Which is why transparency and a clear set of procedures are important.

But pin world is also super gossipy, so eventually I think word would make it's way out eventually.

The listings are up. There are 83 pin auctions. 80 are in one category, and for some reason 3 are in a different category. Several of the pins are the same types as from the first auction: R/C girls, PODM's, Tink As, Designer Princesses. However, there are also several Park releases, chasers from Mystery sets, Paris PTN pins, and a few other pieces like the UP DSF Valentine pins. Starting bids on the park stuff are mostly lower, and some pins have starting bids as low as $30. Gradings range from the the mid 8's and above, but some pins are just listed as "VF." I really wish there was an explanation for the grades somewhere.

The website seems slow today, I'm guessing from people checking out the new Catalog. So I didn't do too much investigating into the auctions.