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Hake's Fall Auction - Catalog is up, for auctions closing mid-November

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Ozzie1988 said:
how so?
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Some folks do not want pins encapsulated, myself included. I would not buy or trade for any pin that has had that done to it... even if it was one of my most wanted.

I find some of the prices here okay, and others overpriced. And let's remember these are just the starting bid prices too
 
I would love to see a firm set sheet with the grading/scoring process as well. I do understand the concern with publishing that though... Gotta protect the business plan and program until it is well established. dont want anyone stealing it. From what i have seen of the system, i would likely tweak it a bit anyway. But thats just me.

I wish those who have items in the Hakes auction good luck! And to those who want the pins, fair bidding!
 
Psycho Pixie said:
I would love to see a firm set sheet with the grading/scoring process as well. I do understand the concern with publishing that though... Gotta protect the business plan and program until it is well established. dont want anyone stealing it. From what i have seen of the system, i would likely tweak it a bit anyway. But thats just me.

I wish those who have items in the Hakes auction good luck! And to those who want the pins, fair bidding!
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Grading is all done differently, it all depends on the company you use but the process is up if you know where to look
 
Turbo-tastic said:
Some folks do not want pins encapsulated, myself included. I would not buy or trade for any pin that has had that done to it... even if it was one of my most wanted.

I find some of the prices here okay, and others overpriced. And let's remember these are just the starting bid prices too
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thats a good point but you have to remember you can open it if you get it no one said it has to be forever sealed, if the price is right a grail is a grail, i want the RC Rapunzel and the Ariel A.N. i would break those boxes and place my grails on my lanyard where they belong not on a shelf. but if i have a pin that is sentimental than i might have it graded and place on my mantel like an award or something so i can go either way
 
Ozzie1988 said:
thats a good point but you have to remember you can open it if you get it no one said it has to be forever sealed, if the price is right a grail is a grail, i want the RC Rapunzel and the Ariel A.N. i would break those boxes and place my grails on my lanyard where they belong not on a shelf. but if i have a pin that is sentimental than i might have it graded and place on my mantel like an award or something so i can go either way
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Hmmm... I wasn't too sure how easy it would be to get the pin out. I'd probably want somebody who knew what they were doing to get it out without damaging the pin, than try myself.
 
So, is there more than one company grading pins (other than PinPics?). If so, it would also be helpful to see how the multiple grading scales line up.
 
Also who wrote the descriptions? Why would you note that one was graded better? This is the PP, not the regular. I doubt any other PP's of any R/C's have been graded. And then they compare it to the Rapunzel? Ok. And then you put "conservative estimates" on edition size which to me means PinPics looked up how many are listed as "Owns" but the PP I'm sure is 1 of 1 or maybe 1 of 3 tops.
 
I spoke to soon <_< Ariel Nouveau for $800...but encapsulated. I have heard that taking things out of the capsules can put the pin at risk for damage. Has anyone here actually gotten a pin out of encapsulation before? If not, I'm not taking the risk of bidding on that and then scratching it while taking it out.

All in all, I don't think most of the prices are bad, but those PODMs and Designer princesses (minus a few) are way overpriced.

- that EXACT same LM PODM sold for $160 a month ago. There is no way it quadrupled in value, the rest of the PODMs also seem extremely pricey

- those Designer princesses (minus Rapunzel and Ariel) are overpriced as well. Snow White is NOT worth $700 (she's priced higher than Ariel!!) and Cinderella is not $500 worth among nearly all the others. Rapunzel has been sitting on eBay around for a little over $800 for a long time now. If someone wanted the pin that badly before Hakes put it up, I don't see why they wouldn't have forked out a little more OR why the seller wouldn't have gone down $25 so IDK if that one will sell that well either...

- some of the R/C girls are price highly, but not overpriced. The starting bids on a lot of them are the max that they sold for awhile ago so I cannot see them going much higher.
 
Ozzie1988 said:
Grading is all done differently, it all depends on the company you use but the process is up if you know where to look
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Oh yeah i know grading is different from company to company. Heck, my husband works for one of the premier Stamp grading companies....

but as far as I know theres only 1 company currently grading disney pins. and I cant find the actual grading system in writing anywhere. Its totally ok, they dont want anyone jump starting their own system using the one they worked for so long to develope.

kupo1121 said:
I spoke to soon <_< Ariel Nouveau for $800...but encapsulated. I have heard that taking things out of the capsules can put the pin at risk for damage. Has anyone here actually gotten a pin out of encapsulation before? If not, I'm not taking the risk of bidding on that and then scratching it while taking it out.
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The capsules are large enough with plenty of free edge for easy and safe removal. i have seen them. And I have seen how stamps are removed from the same sort of capsules. I would have no fear of damaging the pin as long as your not taking a hammer to it. ;) The seams are basically heat sealed or something. easy to crack the case, or to cut if you want to open it up.
 
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What does it mean when a pin is 'encapsulated'? If I've understood correctly it is put in a capsule ? Why and what sort of capsule? And why is it bad ? Haha
 
markheardjr said:
The reason it matters the seller know who the buyer is is because PinPics invited certain other sellers to join this auction. I speculate that is their attempt to prove that the auctions are not rigged. But you still can't prove anything. For all we know, PinPics will just buy Killians Ariel PP. He would never know. I still think the first round of auctions was hyped and overbid by the same people selling them. All they lose is the commission and that is a tax right off for cost of doing business so they lose nothing. Same thing will happen with this auction. The pick just 1 or 2 others to auction pins and buy them out. So Killian may get paid, he probably doesn't care who buys it, but does that proove the concept that graded pins sell 2x or 3x the normal eBay going rate? Not in my book. For that to happen I'd have to know that the pin was sold/shipped to someone other than a vested interest party. I don't need their info, but I'd take Killians word if it went to someone on the forum that didn't want to be known. However, with only 1 or 2 new sellers, it's still able to be manipulated. I'd have to see many more sellers with a larger variety of pins before I'd believe any of it, or a buyer that isn't afraid to come forward after and say "I did pay that much." Not just, "I bid this much becasue, but didn't win."
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You are basing your hypothesis on the selling of Disney Pins. First of all, Hakes is an auction house that has been around for many, many years. Pins are not all they sell. They deal in antiques, glassware, and other collectible and valuable items. If they didn't have a good reputation, they would not be in business. Buyers identities are closely guarded by all auction houses, I know this as fact because I buy and sell antique Bride's baskets and other glassware. It prevents theft and other harassing things that might happen if the name was released. Auction buyers all have numbers and that is how they are identified. Sotheby's and Linton's also do not release the names. You are just trying to stir the pot and you need to make sure your information is correct. I dealt with various auction houses for over 30 years and I know how they work. If an auction house wanted to release my name as buyer, I would not buy. It's way to risky. So I don't care what you say, you are dead nuts wrong. Auction houses value their reputation above all else because without it, they would have to close.
 
Just to add to what Margaret said: Ebay no longer shows the buyers.

If you know a certain person's Ebay id, you can no longer perform an advanced search on the buyer. Not only that, they also withhold a buyer's name from a seller's feedback scores.

After these latest Ebay changes, considering the volume of pin sales by Hakes vs. Ebay, I would be way more concerned about Ebay listings.
 
The unfortunate reality is that anyone can manipulate an auction, regardless of how/where an item is auctioned. Even in an old-style auction run by a guy with a gavel, someone who wants to artificially raise prices can send a friend to bid.
 
We all know eBay sales for high value pins have been shill bid up. Or people will list a new pin for a high amount, have a friend buy it to set the market price and then relist 3 or 4 and eat the final value fee once. eBay however does give infractions for suspicious bidding. Hakes who knows. Do I honestly believe there are just x number of people out there with $xxx,xxx,xxx waiting to blow on Disney memorbilia? no. There is no way these pins sell for that much to an honest pin collector just because it is graded. So that only leaves gullible rich people with nothing better to do or shill bidding. Would gullible rich people really bid $8k for a R/C Rapunzel? I doubt it, and no active pin collector is going to bid that much. The only reason R/C Rapunzel cost so much is because PinPics buys up everyone that comes to market to mainpulate the price. Rasputin finally had enough and outbid them driving it up even more. But hey, maybe I don't know anything and I have never been involved with an auction house? But, we all know eBay scrambles the buyer's name the same way everytime and if you know their feedback score you can find out who it is. Also, in a live auction, unless they have someone bidding for them, people raise their little paddles and you can see clear as day who it is. Show me one PinPics graded pin that has sold for 3x mark-up on eBay or DPF or PinTalk or anywhere else other thank Hakes Auctions. If that isn't the point, to prove PinPics grading increases value exponentially, then what is?
 
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