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PIN & POP PIN & POP Site Announcements & Ideas

PIN & POP PIN & POP Site Announcements & Ideas
CanaDaLE said:
I know it’s been said many times but I’d still love the ability to bid multiple pins for a grail like pin. I always attempt but know that it’s a lopsided offer. If I could somehow click on two/three/four pins by holding the shift down to make it one bid would be a game changer.
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Bibbidi Bobbidi Vibes said:
Are there plans to allow bulk trading in the future?
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We have thought a lot about multi-pin trades but we have some issues we'd have to figure out for it to be successful. One issue is around rejected trades - if someone trades two/three/four pins it would be discouraging if the trade is canceled because 1 pin is rejected – it's also a lot more work to authenticate 4 or 5 pins on a single trade, but I'm sure we could figure out something with the Trade Token cost on multi-pin trades to offset this.

We'd also like prevent the need for a "back and forth" between the traders during the trade – we've had requests to add the ability to send messages between a Lister and an Offerer but we've intentionally not added this functionality to prevent pressuring by either side of the trade. I think multi-pin trades would have to function similarly as the current one-for-one pin trades... either accept or decline the multi-pin offer without the ability to continually tweak the offer (a completely new offer could always be made like it is today).

Everyones thoughts on the following would be very helpful for me:
1. What percentage of trades outside of Pin & Pop do you make that involve multiple pins for one pin? Are you usually the one offering multiple pins or accepting multiple pins or do you regularly do both?
3. Do you usually only do multi-pin trades for higher value pins or will you do them for any value range?

Thank you all for your feedback!
 
I'm not the heaviest trader so factor that into how you consider my answers.

1. More than half.
2. Both. But for different reasons. On the higher end, it's to balance out the trade. On the lower end, it's more "You have three pins I want, do I have three you want?" So I think the latter is really covered by 1-for-1 trading, just three of them. It's the higher end ones that need the new functionality. And I am betting you will find that true of most folks. You don't usually need to offer multiple pins to equate to another pin worth 10, 20, 30 dollars. But a $200 pin? Yeah, often you need a couple of pins to get there.

In regard to the challenges you are considering, I think it would be reasonable for you to switch to a token per pin rather than per trade. Technically, that's how it is now anyway (since # of trades and # of pins is generally the same). And personally I agree with your not allowing communication between traders so it would be a take it or leave it situation. As you point out, the person could just try again with a different combo. But it would be really great if you were able to make it a specific offer or "Any 3 of these 7" and the recipient can select. That would likely facilitate more trades.

Thanks for considering it.
 
1. What percentage of trades outside of Pin & Pop do you make that involve multiple pins for one pin? Are you usually the one offering multiple pins or accepting multiple pins or do you regularly do both?
About 75% of my trades outside of Pin & Pop involve multiple pins for one. This is because I find regular trading mentally exhausting and prefer to wait for bulk trading opportunities to get most of my higher value pins. I am usually the one offering multiple pins, but I have been on the receiving end as well.

2. Do you usually only do multi-pin trades for higher value pins or will you do them for any value range?
Trades outside of Pin & Pop rely heavily on trade values, so doing add-on pins is usually necessary for both parties to feel good about a trade. These add-ons result in most of my non-P&P trades being multi-pin trades.

I prefer Trade Arcades because I do not like the back and forth of regular trading; we either agree on this trade or we don't. If I really want the pin but my trade offer is rejected, I will submit a new bid.
 
1. What percentage of trades outside of Pin & Pop do you make that involve multiple pins for one pin? Are you usually the one offering multiple pins or accepting multiple pins or do you regularly do both?
I proceed cautiously with trading multiple pins for one pin. My first consideration is always a rough estimate for how much I actually paid for the pins I am trading away. If the dollar total I paid for the multiple pins is more than I would pay for the pin on offer, I will decline.
Majority of my trades are 1 for 1, 2 for 1 or 1 for 2 trades (est. 90%).
I am usually the one offering multiple pins, but would do both.

3. Do you usually only do multi-pin trades for higher value pins or will you do them for any value range?
If I trade multiple pins for one pin I have no preset expectations for what this would be in the 'value' range.
 
Chris Nickols said:
We have thought a lot about multi-pin trades but we have some issues we'd have to figure out for it to be successful. One issue is around rejected trades - if someone trades two/three/four pins it would be discouraging if the trade is canceled because 1 pin is rejected – it's also a lot more work to authenticate 4 or 5 pins on a single trade, but I'm sure we could figure out something with the Trade Token cost on multi-pin trades to offset this.

We'd also like prevent the need for a "back and forth" between the traders during the trade – we've had requests to add the ability to send messages between a Lister and an Offerer but we've intentionally not added this functionality to prevent pressuring by either side of the trade. I think multi-pin trades would have to function similarly as the current one-for-one pin trades... either accept or decline the multi-pin offer without the ability to continually tweak the offer (a completely new offer could always be made like it is today).

Everyones thoughts on the following would be very helpful for me:
1. What percentage of trades outside of Pin & Pop do you make that involve multiple pins for one pin? Are you usually the one offering multiple pins or accepting multiple pins or do you regularly do both?
3. Do you usually only do multi-pin trades for higher value pins or will you do them for any value range?

Thank you all for your feedback!
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I don't trade outside of Pin and Pop and have only done so once. However, at the last Trade Arcade (my 1st one), I noticed multiple tables offering sets. These could have been 2-6 pins on a single pin card. Like 6 of the pegasuses from Fantasia, or a Mickey and Minnie on the same card, or a character pin that came with a few outfits. These were marked as common, but my offers to give a single common pin were rightfully turned down - because why would they want one common pin in exchange for 2-6 pins? I don't know how many people actually have equivalent sets that would make that kind of trade successful, so in that case, it would be helpful to have some way of evening out the exchange by offering additional pins.
 
I wanted to share a discussion @Pidge and I were having in another thread here for the benefit of @Chris Nickols . Basically, Pidge (and others) was commenting on how easy to use P&P is and all the benefits of it, including how it automatically updates your pin status when you complete a trade. I pointed out that it does remove the pin you sent from your Traders and does mark your new one as Owned but it doesn't remove it as an ISO (if it was). While it is possible a person is looking for two of a pin, that is very much the exception and, as such, I suggest the default should be to remove the ISO rather than keep it so the majority situation is handled automatically. Pidge had the great suggestion that maybe if we are looking for two or a pin we could indicate so and that way one could be switched to owned and one left as an ISO. There is already similar functionality for multiple owns so presumably it would just work the same way. And then maybe that can be further leveraged in my other very big ask of canceling trade offers on a pin after one offer is accepted so we don't end up with multiples of the same pin when we want only one.
 
Ajk said:
I wanted to share a discussion @Pidge and I were having in another thread here for the benefit of @Chris Nickols . Basically, Pidge (and others) was commenting on how easy to use P&P is and all the benefits of it, including how it automatically updates your pin status when you complete a trade. I pointed out that it does remove the pin you sent from your Traders and does mark your new one as Owned but it doesn't remove it as an ISO (if it was). While it is possible a person is looking for two of a pin, that is very much the exception and, as such, I suggest the default should be to remove the ISO rather than keep it so the majority situation is handled automatically. Pidge had the great suggestion that maybe if we are looking for two or a pin we could indicate so and that way one could be switched to owned and one left as an ISO. There is already similar functionality for multiple owns so presumably it would just work the same way. And then maybe that can be further leveraged in my other very big ask of canceling trade offers on a pin after one offer is accepted so we don't end up with multiples of the same pin when we want only one.
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yup, i go back and clear off ISO owned of my pins. However there are some duplicates I do try to get, mainly to pass along to friends.
 
Personally, I would rather risk the other pin being flawed, cancelling the trade, and not getting the pin then ending up with two of the same pin. That's especially true if the pin I am using for the trade I could have used to make a different trade. But obviously there are different views so maybe the ideal solution is to provide the option of canceling pending trade offers for a pin once you make a trade for it. So those that want to keep the other ones open and possibly get multiples of them can do so while folks that just want the one and want to free their traders for other attempts can do that.
 
Ajk said:
I wanted to share a discussion @Pidge and I were having in another thread here for the benefit of @Chris Nickols .
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Thank you for posting this for me to see. I have a todo on my (long) list to add functionality to prevent trading for duplicates. It would need to be an optional setting as it seems everyone has a differing view on the importance of this feature but I completely understand that, for some, this is highly desired.
 

Tweaking our Trade Verification and Approval process​

Jenn recently sent out this email to our community and I wanted to post it here as well...
Recently we asked for feedback about the importance of finding every blemish on a pin or processing pins quicker. The feedback was pretty conclusive that processing pins faster was the most important. Because of this we will be making a change starting at the Happy Haunts event.

After you make a trade on Pin & Pop you have the option to have Pin & Pop look over your pin (auto approve) or request pictures of the pin (trader approve).

I want you to think about how you trade in person whether at Disney or at a pin event. If you are the kind of person that takes lots of time to inspect a pin to make sure there are no production issues then you should be choosing trader approve. However, if you take a normal look at the pin and don't notice anything majorly wrong with the pin then auto approve is the option for you.

Auto approve is changing to be the type of approval that is a look at the pin to make sure it isn't fake and there isn't major damage or blemishes. This means that small dots or slight paint dips or pin holes will not be labeled as a blemish and it will not receive any close up pictures.

However, if we do see something major, damage, pin holes on the majority of the pin or deep paint dips then we will mark the pin blemished, make a comment and add a close up photo for you to review.

If you are the type of person that takes time when you trade to really look over a pin and make sure everything looks perfect with it, then you should choose trader approve. This will be the same type of process that we do now where we comment on anything we see on the pin and add a photo of that issue.

Recently we went through pins that we know where straight from Disney and noticed that 60% of the pins had an production issue. This is part of the reason why we have made the change. It is becoming increasingly difficult to find a pristine pin bought directly from Disney. It is incredibly disappointing to get a cancelled trade when the pin is brand new and Disney didn't feel it was important to check quality.

We do want to make a suggestion for higher end pins; those pins that have a value of greater than $100. Our suggestion is to choose trader approve on those because typically it is important for traders to make sure that quality is top notch since the value can be considerable.

Also, moving forward we will be processing the auto approve pins first. Those will be quicker to look over and verify. Then we will move onto the trader approve and the picture taking. These take longer because we do look closely at those pins. So if you want a quicker turn around, then choosing auto approve is the best option.

Additionally, I will also be prioritizing traders with only 1 or 2 trades even if they are trader approve. This helps us get those small trades out the door.
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Our hope is that these changes will help us get your pins to you faster and cut down on the cancelations. Thanks to everyone in our community for continuing to provide us with feedback (both positive and negative) - it really helps us make pivots and prioritize our work so we can, hopefully, continue improving!
 
Chris Nickols said:
Sorry, not sure I'm following either question. Can you give me some more details?
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Awhile back you said there wasn't enough room on the server to include all of the ISO pins one might have
for their table so it got cut back to 100. Do you have plans of increasing that number?

Also, is there a way for you to add to the 100 after pins are placed on a table?

Does this make sense?
 
I do have one more suggestion, it would really help to be able to add pins to our table from the pin listing.
I had several to add and I had to search through to find them. It's not always easy to pin point them in the
long list of pins even if you sort them.
 
momin.ator said:
Awhile back you said there wasn't enough room on the server to include all of the ISO pins one might have
for their table so it got cut back to 100. Do you have plans of increasing that number?

Also, is there a way for you to add to the 100 after pins are placed on a table?

Does this make sense?
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Ah, yes thank you.

ISOs are getting more difficult to cross reference because there's now over 2 million marked ISOs in the system. I think the big limitation though, is that there isn't a good way to sort or prioritize ISOs besides # of people that have marked them as ISO, which favors older pins. Something we've been thinking about is adding a type of "voting" feature a few weeks before each Trade Arcade that would let people mark which pins they'd really like to see at the next TA. I think it really could help VIPs list pins that are the most sought after at those specific points in time. What do you think?
 
Chris Nickols said:
Ah, yes thank you.

ISOs are getting more difficult to cross reference because there's now over 2 million marked ISOs in the system. I think the big limitation though, is that there isn't a good way to sort or prioritize ISOs besides # of people that have marked them as ISO, which favors older pins. Something we've been thinking about is adding a type of "voting" feature a few weeks before each Trade Arcade that would let people mark which pins they'd really like to see at the next TA. I think it really could help VIPs list pins that are the most sought after at those specific points in time. What do you think?
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That's not a bad idea. I have too many pins and it's hard to decide anyway. :)
 
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