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Stahp the Pinsanity!

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I don't think it matters anymore on what character it is or what movie it's from. At this point it's a PTD. PTD collectors have grown drastically, now there are those who get them because it belongs to their collection from the movie, those who just collect PTDs, those who want them as traders, those who want to sell them due to the hype. Regardless of movie it will be more popular than what it would have been in the past. I do believe that the master post added fuel to the situation. There was a spotlight and everyone was watching.
To add to that, you also have mystery in the mix. People do wait for the pin to flip because its a mystery of what's next. You always will think what if its my favorite character? What if I leave and it changes to something amazing? Especially this past weekend was proof that the switch can be anything. A lot of popular and wanted characters. I wonder if they were to advertise and have release dates on PTDs if the crowds won't be as huge..
At this point I'm interested to see how things will turn out when they begin again, whenever that may be.
 
Although, I think the low edition sizes and unique characters, plays a role in getting the ball rolling, I do not think it's the primary motivator for things like this. I think it's much more basic, people really want to be a "have." Whether it means owning the "right" style of shoes, or label on clothing in middle/high school or driving a fancy car, or this. Think about all the things you either did or saw others do in school, that only started after a few of the popular kids starting doing them. It's the same thing. If you have it, you're somebody. Or at least you're not one of those schmucks who isn't a "have." Everyone wants to be the first person to get a new design, so they could be the first one on Ebay, or facebook, or here. So no one left. The pin itself, is actually secondary. Which is why it stopped being about what character it was, popular or not. It's the feeling of knowing that only a select few can have it, and you are one of them. But very few people will actually admit that about themselves. That they want something, just because other people want it or could be the "first on their block" to have the new whatever.

If something "hotter" comes along, the reaction will turn on a dime, and DSF will be so yesterday. 2-3 years ago everyone was going nuts over Paris PTNs. Nothing really changed, in terms of price, or characters, or availability but no one talks about them with the same intensity as they did. Remember the Alice in Wonderland release at DL? What happened after that? A month of working everyone up into a frenzy and everyone was an Alice collector in desperate need and the pins came out and now they're where? Certainly, there are still Alice collectors, but they were the same people who collected before the insanity of that release.

I agree with this and we also live in a society of instant gratification. We want things and we want them now. I, too, have fallen in to this with pin trading. I am new to the hobby (10 months) and I felt that I had to have all the pins I want now! I also can't tell you how many times I've changed what I collect. Some of it was boredom because "pin trading wasn't happening fast enough for me". Some of it was looking at what other people collected and thinking, "Oh I want that too!" Whether it was to feel like a part of a group or to to have something to talk about. I have finally come to terms and have gotten a grip on what this hobby means to me and why I collect what I collect even if it means it isn't cool to everyone else.

Like everything else, PTDs will eventually fade and something new will come along.
 
Gave in...

Called DSF....

i asked first, if the Monster U release was going to be wrist banded or not... She said, "please check Facebook for that information when it posts.

Then i asked, "Are there any more pin trader delights pins to be released this week?"

She said, "not in the near future, no."

so i think it is safe to say we killed the on hand supply. Not that they were just waiting until the red carpet premier finished up.
 
Thanks for an entertaining thread Psycho Pixie! An amusing take on the situation! It must be a headache for those that want to actively collect the DSF pins. Personally, I wouldnt have the time to queque for pins and hang around for hours, I would just have to give up collecting them.

Thanks again Psycho Pixie, your thread gave me a good giggle!
 
Thanks for an entertaining thread Psycho Pixie! An amusing take on the situation! It must be a headache for those that want to actively collect the DSF pins. Personally, I wouldnt have the time to queque for pins and hang around for hours, I would just have to give up collecting them.

Thanks again Psycho Pixie, your thread gave me a good giggle!

It has also been quite civil which is nice to see!
 
Don't joke, it could happen still :) All it will take is the Tangled lantern scene and these will be HOT (meant to qoute pixie's reply about the windows of magic pins being the next it pin).
 
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I was only at dsf for a few hours on one day, but my experience was that people there were actually very calm and polite even though the line was pretty long. I didn't see anyone act rudely to a cm or any cm behave poorly. It's unfortunate that there are a few people who can't interact politely because those are the ones that stand out. Generally if you are polite to people they will be polite back. People were all so friendly in the line, chatting about their pin collections, etc. I don't usually go there and wait in lines, but it was actually kind of fun to see other collectors. AS far as popularity of ptds, I think there is always a sense of fun in not knowing what is next, the surprise element. They have really been having a wide variety of characters and that's part of the fun. If it was just Stitch, Jessica, Tinkerbell, Chesh. Cat, or Chip and Dale all the time, there wouldn't be as much interest and it wouldn't be as fun.
 
I don't think it makes sense to say they wouldn't sell out so fast if people didn't have this mentality. What mentality? The mentality of... wanting to buy the pins? Well you're right... they wouldn't sell out so fast if people didn't want to buy them. So er... is there something wrong with wanting to buy them?

It just frustrates me every time I see people complaining about the "hype". As if the thread made people do something they didn't want to do. As someone else said, the thread probably did inform some people about the available pin who wouldn't otherwise have known. I don't see anything wrong with that, and it isn't "hype", it's information. I don't see anything wrong with people buying what they want to buy. What should people who "went crazy" over these pins have done differently? Not bought pins they wanted when they had the opportunity, because... why? I just don't get what anyone thinks people did wrong here.

I think what's responsible is what's already been pointed out... the market being what it is. Fewer good LE pins being put out by Disney via any other source; a good low LE pin near-perpetually available for the same price as a rack pin; and the pin makers and/or managers (it isn't the managers' fault if they have put out everything they had) deciding on very popular characters all in a row.
 
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I think what's responsible is what's already been pointed out... the market being what it is. Fewer good LE pins being put out by Disney via any other source; a good low LE pin near-perpetually available for the same price as a rack pin; and the pin makers and/or managers (it isn't the managers' fault if they have put out everything they had) deciding on very popular characters all in a row.

While I agree with this paragraph (makes perfect sense to me and I do blame a lot on the fact that there are less and less places to buy pins), there are people out there that are after the latest and greatest. Pins get "hot" and people go after what is popular, either to keep or to trade them away for what they want. I know I've done this, but with so many people focusing on PTDs, and how quickly they are going (due to popular characters or trying to get less popular characters to run out) I'm very curious to see what happens with PTDs when they return. Will the rules change again?

Also, here's a question that I'm hoping one of you guys who went to DSF this weekend can answer. I enjoy buying my PTD and enjoying it at the counter. Sometimes it leads me to purchasing more food, which I'm sure the soda shop loves. Was anyone allowed to sit down and order a PTD either by itself or with food? When I went down to pick up the Rapunzel PTD months ago, people were told that they could not purchase PTDs at the counter/tables due to the line. One woman and her young daughter tried to do that and they told her no. She walked out kind of pissed. More due to the fact that she wanted the pin I assume. Was that the case this weekend with the lines? Will PTDs become a "to go" option only, or perhaps only when there is a long line for a popular character? Say there are 50 people in line for a PTD and I wanted to sit down and order a personal pizza and a PTD. As a paying customer I should be entitled to the PTD as much as the people in line. The line, after all, is for the "to go" line, and not specifically a "PTD line" if that makes any sense.

What do you think DPF?

Also, I wonder if people are discussing this on Pin Talk as much as we are...
 
Personally, I kind of came into pin trading a few years ago during a low-key moment when the hobby was sort of down. I lived in the LA area, I made alot of trips to DLR and the DSF, and it was always fun, but the sheer fervor and excitement that the veterans would describe was kind of rare. It's actually sort of hilarious thinking back now, walking into the DSF the day of the Tangled release for my first trip to the store, all bright-eyed and jazzed about the release and finding!... nobody there. At like, noon. And racks full of Tangled pins that no one was buying.

._. Oh, how times change.

In retrospect I feel like that all started to shift when PODM's picked up and started becoming a craze. Now that there seems to be alot of new traders, I'm personally champing at the bit to get back to Los Angeles. I can't wait to be a part of those insane lineups, surrounded by people all abuzz about what the next PTD release might be. A few years ago, we all had to sort of wonder from time to time if our little hobby was going to survive. With sales the way they are now though, it seems like we're in the clear for at least a little while longer.

As far as I'm concerned, bring on the pinsanity! ^_^
 
While I agree with this paragraph (makes perfect sense to me and I do blame a lot on the fact that there are less and less places to buy pins), there are people out there that are after the latest and greatest. Pins get "hot" and people go after what is popular, either to keep or to trade them away for what they want. I know I've done this, but with so many people focusing on PTDs, and how quickly they are going (due to popular characters or trying to get less popular characters to run out) I'm very curious to see what happens with PTDs when they return. Will the rules change again?

Also, here's a question that I'm hoping one of you guys who went to DSF this weekend can answer. I enjoy buying my PTD and enjoying it at the counter. Sometimes it leads me to purchasing more food, which I'm sure the soda shop loves. Was anyone allowed to sit down and order a PTD either by itself or with food? When I went down to pick up the Rapunzel PTD months ago, people were told that they could not purchase PTDs at the counter/tables due to the line. One woman and her young daughter tried to do that and they told her no. She walked out kind of pissed. More due to the fact that she wanted the pin I assume. Was that the case this weekend with the lines? Will PTDs become a "to go" option only, or perhaps only when there is a long line for a popular character? Say there are 50 people in line for a PTD and I wanted to sit down and order a personal pizza and a PTD. As a paying customer I should be entitled to the PTD as much as the people in line. The line, after all, is for the "to go" line, and not specifically a "PTD line" if that makes any sense.

What do you think DPF?

Also, I wonder if people are discussing this on Pin Talk as much as we are...

From what I hear, there are other sites that discuss DSF PTN releases - including several on Facebook. As I recall, several posted PTN photos came from a Facebook page photo that wasn't DSF (not to mention photos from that auction site).

If there were no people in line, I would think you could sit down and order a PTD and get the pin. But with a line of "50", sitting down, ordering a PTN and expecting to immediately get the pin is no different than cutting into the line in the #1 position, getting your PTD and then sitting down. Not cool!
 
From what I hear, there are other sites that discuss DSF PTN releases - including several on Facebook. As I recall, several posted PTN photos came from a Facebook page photo that wasn't DSF (not to mention photos from that auction site).

If there were no people in line, I would think you could sit down and order a PTD and get the pin. But with a line of "50", sitting down, ordering a PTN and expecting to immediately get the pin is no different than cutting into the line in the #1 position, getting your PTD and then sitting down. Not cool!

Believe it or not Steve, even if you sit down to eat a real MEAL, if you try to order your PTD as dessert, they make you go get in the to go line now. UG
 
Believe it or not Steve, even if you sit down to eat a real MEAL, if you try to order your PTD as dessert, they make you go get in the to go line now. UG

That is NUTS. I'm glad that the one chance I got to go to DSF, they didn't do that. I got a PTD after a nice leisurely meal. That was in December...

Seems like DSF isn't making very good decisions from a business standpoint.
 
Believe it or not Steve, even if you sit down to eat a real MEAL, if you try to order your PTD as dessert, they make you go get in the to go line now. UG

Now that seems off to me. I understand that sitting down and ordering a PTD with people in the "to go" line is kind of jerkish, but technically it is a "to go" line for all ice cream, not just for not specifically for PTDs. Not that I'd do that. But having to get into another line for dessert when you're already eating a meal there is ridiculous. Why shouldn't you be able to order lunch and then order some dessert? Perhaps a requirement to order food along with a PTD if ordered at the counter or tables? Even that is pushing it a bit.
 
I can still remember the sound of his boots walking across the wet pavement. The sole of his shoe grinded the loose gravel against the asphalt, making a sound that made me want to end it all right there. Unfortunately, I wasn’t given the pleasure.
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I lay face down in a ditch, halfway buried in mud and who knows what else. The rain fell around me, filling in the crevices with more murky water. It wasn’t until I saw my own blood start to trickle into the surrounding pool that I decided to get up and find help.

I had it coming, but I wasn’t expecting an ambush like that. The drug known as PTD had spread like wildfire, and the goons in this city weren’t going to let a detective like me ruin it for them. I knew too much and they didn’t like it one bit.

I sat up and stuck a cig in my mouth; I was shivering so much I was barely able to hold it between my lips. The pinsanity in this town made a good run, but I knew it was over for now. This town’s addiction ran the supply dry for now, but I will be there for Round 2.
 
That is NUTS. I'm glad that the one chance I got to go to DSF, they didn't do that. I got a PTD after a nice leisurely meal. That was in December...

Seems like DSF isn't making very good decisions from a business standpoint.

it's ridiculous! personally I love enjoying my PTD sundae in a glass ice cream cup at the counter. I asked for it in a glass, and the ice cream CM regretfully said she couldn't do that... oh well, i'll get it in a plastic cup and sit at the very back of the counter (that is completely empty btw) and eat it while I watch the line filter through.

NOPE. the somewhat frightening asian guy who's always in the suit comes and says sternly and almost meanly that I have to get out! like... what???? I don't get it ?_? am I bothering ppl by sitting in the deserted back seating area? i even offered to buy a grilled cheese and no change in his demand. sigh...
 
I don't like the idea of blaming the master post hiding a release from people who don't live close isn't the answer. The post was created to free up the forum and have fun, it's not the existence of the thread but what people chose to post in it. I'm sad it was closed and shall stick to hercules from now on :(
 
I don't like the idea of blaming the master post hiding a release from people who don't live close isn't the answer. The post was created to free up the forum and have fun, it's not the existence of the thread but what people chose to post in it. I'm sad it was closed and shall stick to hercules from now on :(
NOOO we liked looking through it for the new PTD (though sometimes it changed so quickly that you missed a couple (not your fault!) haha)
 
the PTD master post was only closed because there is not a current PTD available AND at 100 pages its was getting bulky.

Stef was in chat at the time she closed it and I get the impression that as soon as DSF does PTD's again, the Mods would be more than happy to either open it, or start a new stickie thread. Personally, i think better to start a new one....
 
On Saturday, before Taffyta ran out and there was no line, they let us sit down to rest our feet while others were browsing the store.

The Asian guy is Nelson. I asked him about TLM 3D (if there was going to be a character breakfast or something) and he wasn't sure.

I would have thought they would have kept the Ariel PTD for that release at El Capitan.

They could make money (and have less of a crowd) by doing it like this:
- Breakfast is $40 (instead of it's typical $25). You get: (1) choice of drink; (2) choice of side [yogurt, small bagel, small muffin], (3) fruit; (4) "main" course - which is choice of (a) oatmeal (b) eggs, bacon/sausage or (c) Mickey waffle; and then get (5) dessert - a pin trader's delight sundae with pin
- The only way to get the breakfast is to purchase a ticket to El Capitan (which is $15 on weekends)
- Service charge
- So why not save the themed PTDs for the movies that show at their theatre?
- so, altogether, they get $55 per person (probably $45 net after you take into account the cost of the meal, not including cost of ticket because, hey, they'd be showing the movie if only one person bought the ticket, lol)
- they don't have to deal with the "crazies" since this is before the store opens (they only have 2-4 people there anyhow)

P.S. They could still have a different PTD during their regular operating hours of 11 am to 10 pm (9 pm Sundays)
 
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Because turn over at a table is far, far, slower than at the take out window. They would crank out multiple times the profit at the take out window, before that one meal at a table was completed.

Nice idea though. :)

I'll go back to beating the dead horse: Raise the LE. Ain't nobody got time to wait for 1000 pins to sell out and the new PTD to reveal itself.
 
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