Ugh - DSF Beloved Tales Release

[PurpleRose]

Rumor is its one per person..

What?!?! Seriously

 

[Thel91]

We were planning on going to this release, but we have softball playoffs/ championship game on Thu and Fri night.

We might not make it up in time.. But we'll see what happens! I definitely want Enchanted and Princess & The Frog!

 

[PinHunters]

Let's not get crazy with rumors guys and wait for actual information from Soda Fountain.

 

[kupo1121]

I'm just curious what the asking price is right now?

The asking price is no where near the last release purely because of the Tangled release. Honestly, I don't think the price they're selling for is worth a 3-day camp out BUT I think the reason people are camping out isn't because the prices of the pins, I don't think they'll be worth all THAT much down the road compared to others but the possibility of a surprise BT that will make waves, specifically like Brave. That pin definitely justifies a few day release for sharks and anyone alike so I can see that being the reason for the camp out. The pins seem to be selling for $300 but they are having a hard time at that as well, I've yet to see over 10 sets sell for $400 and I've seen many sell around $200 on auction and not go much higher.

I told them they need to take the persons info and then that person only can show up and buy the item. They just don't care. The see a line of people ready to pay and they will sell out anyways, they don't care slime balls are exploiting their sales or extorting their customers.

Then the people with the tickets will just buy everything and sell it to people in line AFTER they have the TV and stuff for profit, they're isn't a way to go around it. Even if Best Buy says you can't resell their merchandise on their property, then the people will just drive down the street. That is why the worst places to go on Black Friday are the popular places because they're all rigged with sharks and stuff -__-

Ed told me at the Jessica release he didn't think they'd switch to 1 per person.

What?!?! Seriously

How is 1 per person a bad thing??? O___O THAT IS GREAT imo! It is preventing the sharks and resellers from getting double the amount of sets and I think it'll allow people who are far from DPF to do a long drive down and still get a set without having to pay $400 to finance some else's rent payment through the month -__- I understand it means the person who gets it is less likely to sell or trade an extra set, but at least it is more likely that they'll stay around longer and hopefully I can get in contact with someone who can get me a set at a price cheaper than $300 >_<

At least that's how I view it, I wouldn't mind a 1 per person release

 

[starry_solo]

This literally made me laugh out loud!

I thought it might get some laughs It was nice meeting you at Marisa's!

 

[markheardjr]

The asking price is no where near the last release purely because of the Tangled release. Honestly, I don't think the price they're selling for is worth a 3-day camp out BUT I think the reason people are camping out isn't because the prices of the pins, I don't think they'll be worth all THAT much down the road compared to others but the possibility of a surprise BT that will make waves, specifically like Brave. That pin definitely justifies a few day release for sharks and anyone alike so I can see that being the reason for the camp out. The pins seem to be selling for $300 but they are having a hard time at that as well, I've yet to see over 10 sets sell for $400 and I've seen many sell around $200 on auction and not go much higher.



Then the people with the tickets will just buy everything and sell it to people in line AFTER they have the TV and stuff for profit, they're isn't a way to go around it. Even if Best Buy says you can't resell their merchandise on their property, then the people will just drive down the street. That is why the worst places to go on Black Friday are the popular places because they're all rigged with sharks and stuff -__-




How is 1 per person a bad thing??? O___O THAT IS GREAT imo! It is preventing the sharks and resellers from getting double the amount of sets and I think it'll allow people who are far from DPF to do a long drive down and still get a set without having to pay $400 to finance some else's rent payment through the month -__- I understand it means the person who gets it is less likely to sell or trade an extra set, but at least it is more likely that they'll stay around longer and hopefully I can get in contact with someone who can get me a set at a price cheaper than $300 >_<

At least that's how I view it, I wouldn't mind a 1 per person release

For the first quote, the people at BestBuy can't buy all the stuff and then sell it because either A. they don't have enough credit, or B. the people in line don't have enough cash. Some do buy and then sell on eBay. Being on the west coast I was able to gauge the eBay price of the laptop I wanted for my wife. I was $400 at BestBuy, on eBay for $650 selling from east coasters, so the $35 the slime ball asked for was still a good deal, so the laptop was $435 in the end. But eBay dictated it was worth $650.

Second quote, 1 per person is great because it lets everyone get a set and they can decide what do with it. There are 2 people complaining against that and 1 reason I dont' think DSF will do it. The 2 complainers are A, resellers, obviously. And B, the .01% of pin traders that are picking up for friends, like the_other_steve getting a set for people far away. The reason I don't think DSF will do 1 per person is they will have 300 people sleeping overnight and not just 150 people. They have been closing the line once it's full and I easily see them doing the same thing this time. Let it get to 100 people and close the line. Then the line starts at 8am Saturday like the Jessica and Valentines day releases. Unless of course the line gets to 150 before they make a decision to cut it off. We'll have to wait and see. But I can see people, like at the Valentines day release, waiting 40+ hours for these pins and then an unofficial line of people waiting overnight in the Budget rent-a-care after the real line closes. Poor policy if you ask me but they don't.

 

[kupo1121]

For the first quote, the people at BestBuy can't buy all the stuff and then sell it because either A. they don't have enough credit, or B. the people in line don't have enough cash. Some do buy and then sell on eBay. Being on the west coast I was able to gauge the eBay price of the laptop I wanted for my wife. I was $400 at BestBuy, on eBay for $650 selling from east coasters, so the $35 the slime ball asked for was still a good deal, so the laptop was $435 in the end. But eBay dictated it was worth $650.

Knowing sellers and sharks, they have multiple credit cards to come prepared and why can't the people in line just go home and pick up cash at an ATM or something to pay for it. There are still many ways to get around the system sadly >_< Imperfect system but it's the best one we got sadly at the moment.

Second quote, 1 per person is great because it lets everyone get a set and they can decide what do with it. There are 2 people complaining against that and 1 reason I dont' think DSF will do it. The 2 complainers are A, resellers, obviously. And B, the .01% of pin traders that are picking up for friends, like the_other_steve getting a set for Hollie. The reason I don't think DSF will do 1 per person is they will have 300 people sleeping overnight and not just 150 people. They have been closing the line once it's full and I easily see them doing the same thing this time. Let it get to 100 people and close the line. Then the line starts at 8am Saturday like the Jessica and Valentines day releases. Unless of course the line gets to 150 before they make a decision to cut it off. We'll have to wait and see. But I can see people, like at the Valentines day release, waiting 40+ hours for these pins and then an unofficial line of people waiting overnight in the Budget rent-a-care after the real line closes. Poor policy if you ask me but they don't.

The line problem is really a problem and I do agree that it is a big factor in DSF's decision since 300 people waiting overnight is a bit extreme, I only wish it was possible to have 100 people line up in the alley and then not have an unofficial line be created until early next morning, but 200 people in an unofficial line could be quite hectic

 

[Ozzie1988]

I'm a Black Friday shopper too! And LA can't be that cold compared to some of those night I've experienced!

black friday is one day, pins are up to two lol heart boxes where three my god i wanted to shank a B***

 

[Ozzie1988]

One per person is not a good thing in any way, only collectors will get sets for themselves so you will have no choice but to buy or trade hard for your BT’s. Look at the PTD Kevin “most” only got one some found ways to cheat the system and get more than one. I brought a friend with me so I could get one for a friend that was at the doctor If not he would have had to trade hard for it. This won't help anything it will make it worst. Sellers will find a way. Two per person is more than enough.

The best thing would double the edition size to LE 600 that would help out some. And still keep it under Le1000 making it a good trader still.

 

[Lamorak]

They could easily double the edition size to 600. It might even add a couple of more hours before they completely sold out.

The crowds are getting bigger. Not smaller. But I still don't foresee them doing much about it, as I think they don't want to mess with the Golden Goose they've got going on.

 

[prolif1k]

One per person is not a good thing in any way, only collectors will get sets for themselves so you will have no choice but to buy or trade hard for your BT’s. Look at the PTD Kevin “most” only got one some found ways to cheat the system and get more than one. I brought a friend with me so I could get one for a friend that was at the doctor If not he would have had to trade hard for it. This won't help anything it will make it worst. Sellers will find a way. Two per person is more than enough.

The best thing would double the edition size to LE 600 that would help out some. And still keep it under Le1000 making it a good trader still.

Even LE 500 would make it a LITTLE bit better. They obviously don't have an issue with increasing LE size as they've been doing it with Marquees lately.

 

[Ozzie1988]

he sadly said all he cares about is his bottom line, as long as he makes sales they don't care

 

[PinHunters]

One per person is not a good thing in any way, only collectors will get sets for themselves so you will have no choice but to buy or trade hard for your BT’s. Look at the PTD Kevin “most” only got one some found ways to cheat the system and get more than one. I brought a friend with me so I could get one for a friend that was at the doctor If not he would have had to trade hard for it. This won't help anything it will make it worst. Sellers will find a way. Two per person is more than enough.

The best thing would double the edition size to LE 600 that would help out some. And still keep it under Le1000 making it a good trader still.

Even LE 500 would make it a LITTLE bit better. They obviously don't have an issue with increasing LE size as they've been doing it with Marquees lately.

As BT collectors, we wouldnt mind an increase in LE size, BUT we wouldn't consider them the same series. We're collecting them because we like them as a set, so we would just frame the 300s and the rest would be a new set. Unlike Marquees, surprise releases have been 300 so for them switching it to 150 or 500 or any other LE size other than 300 would just mean they're not part of the set but a set all their own for us.

Even more so, new releases of BTs for us are opportunities in getting OLD releases, even if it is ONE old but rare one, for us. So 1 per person is not going to help us get our set as people hold on to BTs for life and that one set will go in our collection.

The marquee sizes differ in this way or at least we have noticed (This is for recent releases):
NEW movies - LE 500
Re-Distribution - LE 300
Surprises - LE 300 or LE 150

 

[kupo1121]

One per person is not a good thing in any way, only collectors will get sets for themselves so you will have no choice but to buy or trade hard for your BT’s. Look at the PTD Kevin “most” only got one some found ways to cheat the system and get more than one. I brought a friend with me so I could get one for a friend that was at the doctor If not he would have had to trade hard for it. This won't help anything it will make it worst. Sellers will find a way. Two per person is more than enough.

The best thing would double the edition size to LE 600 that would help out some. And still keep it under Le1000 making it a good trader still.

I actually think the Kevin PTD is only in support of having 1 per person. As a person who always has to be on the outside looking in, the Kevin PTD was a great step in the right direction. Because it was 1 per person, it allowed many sellers to pick up their pin. Because there are so many sellers out there, there is so much competition and with competition comes constant lower prices (it is like gas, because there are so many places to get gas, whoever has the lowest sells their's while the other's don't). As for 2 per person, you have a few people who are experts at getting all the pins and they essentially monopolize the pins because they are the only sellers. If one person in the world owned all the Toy Story BTs, even if it isn't ALL that wanted, they could charge $1000 for one and everyone has no choice but to pay it or never get their pin. Having more sellers out there means there are many more listed on Ebay as opposed to only having a few listings and then when that one sells, another goes up by the same seller.

While the prices for all the pins will roughly stay around their level, surprise releases are great I believe. Like with the Tangled BT, when it first came out the first few people had listing up for $400 JUST for that pin, but as so many people put up theirs, the price decreased to $250 and stayed around there. If only a few people got all the Tangled BTs no doubt the price would have stayed around $400 because who else is there to challenge their prices?

 

[starry_solo]

Because there are so many sellers out there, there is so much competition and with competition comes constant lower prices (it is like gas, because there are so many places to get gas, whoever has the lowest sells their's while the other's don't).

I know this is supposed to be an analogy, but you do realize that the gas retailers don't really set the price on gas? They have to buy it from their distributor, who sets the price (and in CA, it's about 30-40 cents more because of weird taxes and the like). The gas retailers get the majority of their income from their store, not the gas.

 

[iheartpins]

I am going to laugh my head of when all the presellers don't get them. I don't mean the ones that do do reasonably either. But the sharks. I think 2 per person is reasonable.

 

[PinHunters]

I actually think the Kevin PTD is only in support of having 1 per person. As a person who always has to be on the outside looking in, the Kevin PTD was a great step in the right direction. Because it was 1 per person, it allowed many sellers to pick up their pin. Because there are so many sellers out there, there is so much competition and with competition comes constant lower prices (it is like gas, because there are so many places to get gas, whoever has the lowest sells their's while the other's don't). As for 2 per person, you have a few people who are experts at getting all the pins and they essentially monopolize the pins because they are the only sellers. If one person in the world owned all the Toy Story BTs, even if it isn't ALL that wanted, they could charge $1000 for one and everyone has no choice but to pay it or never get their pin. Having more sellers out there means there are many more listed on Ebay as opposed to only having a few listings and then when that one sells, another goes up by the same seller.

While the prices for all the pins will roughly stay around their level, surprise releases are great I believe. Like with the Tangled BT, when it first came out the first few people had listing up for $400 JUST for that pin, but as so many people put up theirs, the price decreased to $250 and stayed around there. If only a few people got all the Tangled BTs no doubt the price would have stayed around $400 because who else is there to challenge their prices?

Gas prices depend on counties and their laws pertaining taxes so the cheaper taxes means the cheaper place to get gas. So you just have to know which city has cheaper gas prices and pick up there. In general it is a couple cents difference, though.

Whether or not Kevin PTD was a right step is up for debate but we think they did 1 per person because they were OUT of other pins and HOPED that it wouldn't sell out until the next day. (Which is why we assume they also decided to close early for inventory). Unfortunately it didn't pan out well with people bringing multiple people to be able to purchase more than one pin - including hiring people. [This we do not have proof as neither of us were able to make it to get one due to both working]. The reality is that there are people that hire 'employees' and other people walking along the streets of Hollywood to stay in line and get a pin while they make a couple extra bucks.
We see it happen in every release and in the last Jessica release one of us saw one marathon runner staying in line for someone so that goes to show you that if sellers want more (surprise pins) they'll get people to sit there for a couple extra dollars.

As much as it seems to everyone that the right way is to limit by purchasing 1 set, it only helps people that could get more than themselves down to the release and not everyone else. And yes there are also people that head over there and pick up a set for someone and a set for themselves. 2 per person is a good rule as the purpose, we assume, is to keep one and trade the other, but really, it is not anyone other than the owners of the pins job to tell people what to do with what they purchased.

As for 1 set per person due to how they're selling on the second market, is kind of bad as if the pins are selling for close at cost maybe you should also mention that we should be able to buy more than 2 per person since the second market decided these will not be as great.

We decide the value of the pin on whether we like it, really love it or hate it. A pin can be a 600 dollar pin but if we do not like or want it, it is not worth a single penny to us.

 

[kupo1121]

I know this is supposed to be an analogy, but you do realize that the gas retailers don't really set the price on gas? They have to buy it from their distributor, who sets the price (and in CA, it's about 30-40 cents more because of weird taxes and the like). The gas retailers get the majority of their income from their store, not the gas.

Sorry lol perhaps it was a bad example but that is basically the jist of it. At least in my town, when one person lowers their gas prices (by about a dime if anything), the next day or withing the hour every single other one lowers their prices as well (there are about 7 in my town) because people will drive a bit farther to get the cheaper gas from the cheaper station.

Unfortunately it didn't pan out well with people bringing multiple people to be able to purchase more than one pin - including hiring people. [This we do not have proof as neither of us were able to make it to get one due to both working]. The reality is that there are people that hire 'employees' and other people walking along the streets of Hollywood to stay in line and get a pin while they make a couple extra bucks.
We see it happen in every release and in the last Jessica release one of us saw one marathon runner staying in line for someone so that goes to show you that if sellers want more (surprise pins) they'll get people to sit there for a couple extra dollars.

Sadly, this happens not just with 1 per person releases but also 2 per person releases so with 2 per person all you're doing is giving the people who would hire people anyways 2x the amount of pins to resell so that isn't really an argument against 1 per person releases. If anything, it might dissuade hiring people if you only got 1 per person. For example with the BT release, if it were 2 per set and let's say each set costs $40 to buy (to make it easy) and $300 to sell. If that's the case:

Person A hires 4 others at $10 an hour to wait 12 hours for the pins:

Cost = (12 x $10) x4 + ($40 x 5) = $680 for 10 sets
Amount made by selling them is $3000 for 10 sets

Profit = $3000 - $680 = $2320

In other words, the reseller is making $193.33 an hour

However, if they make it 1 per person let's say Person A hires 4 others at $7 an hour (cutting their pay by half for waiting for the same amount of time could lead them to think they are being ripped off) to wait $12 for the pins:

Cost = (12 x $7) x4 + ($40 x 5) = $536
Amount made by selling them is only $1500

Profit = $1500 - $536 = $964

In other words, the reseller is making $80.33 an hour (even if they only made the people $5 an hour, they'd still only be making around $85 an hour which isn't worth waiting the same amount of time for).

Significant losses by more than half on the part of the reseller that for many, it might make sharking pin collectors undesirable to a point that could restore pin trading to how it used to be (or closer to it, not exactly like it).

As for 1 set per person due to how they're selling on the second market, is kind of bad as if the pins are selling for close at cost maybe you should also mention that we should be able to buy more than 2 per person since the second market decided these will not be as great. We decide the value of the pin on whether we like it, really love it or hate it. A pin can be a 600 dollar pin but if we do not like or want it, it is not worth a single penny to us.

While this is true, if someone had every pin that existed of a certain type, that pin's value no doubt goes up because it is so rare AND people will need it to complete a set so nobody will view it as a single penny worth.

 

[PinHunters]

First and foremost, we hope none of this comes off as offensive, it is hard to read tone online. We are not looking to fight with anyone.

Our point is never to make it undesirable for people to hire other non-pin traders to come and get a set for them and for them to sell it. Most people there and probably some DSF staff know who is there with hired people and as said person makes a living out of pins, 1, 2 or any number purchasing limit will not limit or discourage said person from bringing MORE people however small the money is made back. Which is not small at all even if you're greatly reducing that profit.

The reality is that there are always new faces and old faces that come either to EVERY release, releases for which they collect, popular releases to use as traders for hard pins they want, to sell, to jump start new collections or because they just started pin trading and want good traders. When we first started a lot of people advised us at the tables that heading to DSF was a good idea to trade for LE pins that we wanted as most pins that are sold in DLR they could easily attain. We offer the same advice to others, it is a cheaper, though still costly, alternative and you are able to trade easier for pins that you want. We're sure many other DLR people give out the same advice.

As for the money breakdown you offered, we are not interested nor do we care how much money people make out of these pins. We are simply against penalizing everyone SIMPLY because these pins are currently popular. Someone offered us a really hard pin for our set the moment he saw these pins come out so for us, the current two per person limit means that we get our set going to our collection and another BT that we thought we wouldn't get unless we gave out extremely hard pins valued much more than the pin we're getting.

The comment about worth to us is simply us saying that even though someone's grail is worth 500 dollars and only a few people have it for trade or sale so that the value is increased, it does not matter to us because to us it is not worth even at cost since we do not want it. So it is valued at 500 but not in our eyes. Now we do find that our grails are valued that and much more so it does suck that we'd eventually have to pay a huge amount to have it OR trade a lot of pins to be even considered as an offer, but that is simply because we never had access to DA 100 and they are rare and highly wanted. Granted there are more of DSF pins simply because of their LE size, but they are equally as wanted as others older harder pins.

 

[kupo1121]

First and foremost, we hope none of this comes off as offensive, it is hard to read tone online. We are not looking to fight with anyone.

I second this, me and PinHunters are just discussing the topic in a friendly manner, please do not close this thread because it is being interpreted as us being at each other's throats...we are on each other's friends list lol xD

Our point is never to make it undesirable for people to hire other non-pin traders to come and get a set for them and for them to sell it. Most people there and probably some DSF staff know who is there with hired people and as said person makes a living out of pins, 1, 2 or any number purchasing limit will not limit or discourage said person from bringing MORE people however small the money is made back. Which is not small at all even if you're greatly reducing that profit.

While it won't dissuade everyone, I do believe it will dissuade some because as you said about some people make their livings off of reselling pins, why stay in the business if the profit isn't worth it? There are many other more lucrative collectibles to resell that can net you a great profit, pins are still new into that category.

As for the money breakdown you offered, we are not interested nor do we care how much money people make out of these pins. We are simply against penalizing everyone SIMPLY because these pins are currently popular. Someone offered us a really hard pin for our set the moment he saw these pins come out so for us, the current two per person limit means that we get our set going to our collection and another BT that we thought we wouldn't get unless we gave out extremely hard pins valued much more than the pin we're getting.

The breakdown wasn't to show how much they made (they probably make more than what I listed) but how much they are losing IF it was reduced to 1 per person in order to show why they would be dissuaded from attending and allow room for the real traders. The current 2 per person limit isn't really helping anyone outside of the immediate area of DPF who can get them or those who have someone that can pick them up a pin at cost or close to it (I'm not saying poor me here as I've been that person numerous times, this is just food for thought). So of course you would be in favor of the 2 per person thing, I would be too if I lived by DSF, everyone would be if DSF was an online store too, because you rarely have the hassle of having to deal with stuff like this 3 times a month If I don't have a $100 HTF pin that I can offer for your set which you only paid $40 for, I automatically have no chance of getting the set from you or others who want a pin worth 5x the pins they just picked up. For those not close to the parks or DSF, we really have nothing unless we drop hundreds of dollars a week on these pins as it stands now but that is a topic for another day (and this is in terms of all pin traders everywhere, sure there are many who pick up pins for people at cost, but that is only a fraction of the actual pins bought).

 

[PurpleRose]

One per person is not a good thing in any way, only collectors will get sets for themselves so you will have no choice but to buy or trade hard for your BT’s. Look at the PTD Kevin “most” only got one some found ways to cheat the system and get more than one. I brought a friend with me so I could get one for a friend that was at the doctor If not he would have had to trade hard for it. This won't help anything it will make it worst. Sellers will find a way. Two per person is more than enough.

The best thing would double the edition size to LE 600 that would help out some. And still keep it under Le1000 making it a good trader still.

I agree with one per person not being a good thing, a lot of the people who wait at DSF are gracious enough to give their extra set to people who are out of state or for people out of the county at cost. If they start doing one per person, then this will make it very hard for the out of staters to get them at a good price. This will also give the resellers an incentive to charge more for the pins as they will be harder to get. Since the BTs have become so popular the one set each person will receive will most likely go into their collection which makes these even a harder pin to be traded for.

 

[LANNYard]

if they only did one set per person the worth of the pin is greater....that would only make them bring more people....but it stops people from trading the pins because they only have one set...then what? higher prices on the market...flip a coin, what do you want?

 

[kupo1121]

I agree with one per person not being a good thing, a lot of the people who wait at DSF are gracious enough to give their extra set to people who are out of state or for people out of the county at cost. If they start doing one per person, then this will make it very hard for the out of staters to get them at a good price. This will also give the resellers an incentive to charge more for the pins as they will be harder to get. Since the BTs have become so popular the one set each person will receive will most likely go into their collection which makes these even a harder pin to be traded for.

While I do agree that a lot of people (including myself) get pins from very nice DPF'ers, I was thinking more in terms of pin traders everywhere and not just those that are on this great board. They have no where to turn to but extremely exorbitant prices on Ebay. Also, if they did 1 per person, it won't make it harder at all. Remember, the pins will still be LE300 so they'll just be making room for other people who want the pins or who will sell them at a cheaper price, until they do a set where it is 1 per person, we really can't say if it will definitely make it easier or harder since there is no proof The best we can do is gauge it off of pins like Kevins, which in my opinion, only provides support for the 1 per person thing. You have to remember that 300 will still exist of the pins, so it isn't like those pins are just disappearing and people have 1 to put in their collection and the one they would have bought disappears, they'll just go into the hands of other traders/sellers.

if they only did one set per person the worth of the pin is greater....that would only make them bring more people....but it stops people from trading the pins because they only have one set...then what? higher prices on the market...flip a coin, what do you want?

I don't think the worth would be greater, there are still the exact same amount of pins available and everyone will want the pins just as much if it were 2 per person, it is just that the pins will be more available for others to get, not just be monopolized by resellers. And it depends on what is on the other side of the coin lol? Higher prices is on one...

 

[PinHunters]

If I don't have a $100 HTF pin that I can offer for your set which you only paid $40 for, I automatically have no chance of getting the set from you or others who want a pin worth 5x the pins they just picked up. For those not close to the parks or DSF, we really have nothing unless we drop hundreds of dollars a week on these pins as it stands now but that is a topic for another day.

The reality is unless we have a HTF pin that is worth $100 dollars we too have nothing to offer people that have DA 100 that have been trading for years to get a pin they bought for 10 dollars. Values change over time, right now these are expensive simply because they are popular, they can either keep their value or greatly reduce -with the latter already happening-.

As for trading, value changes with person and who you're trading and is not just second market value, though we have traded with a lot of people going by that alone. Although people are kind enough to offer at cost or to trade with other people at cost out of kindness, it's hard to do that as these pins can really get people pins they really wanted, granted not all of them, but because of their desirability, enough to make people new and old continue to go and then trade with other people for pins they want.

As for the distance factor, yes, this is a location thing, people in the middle of the US will have a hard time getting pins at cost as they have no parks to buy pins from and only have Disneystore. The same goes for other people in different locations, close to parks around the world, or far away from any way to purchase them. That isn't up for debate and it is no traders fault. It is simply luck of the draw and we do not know how others do it but if we move far away from the park we will probably not continue pin trading or greatly reduce our wants for pin trading.

It also doesn't benefit solely people that live close by, LA traffic is a b****. It takes us 45 minutes to get to DSF IF there is no traffic. Everyone travels different distances and even for not THAT popular releases, in order for you to purchase a pin, you have to AT LEAST camp out for a night and not to mention parking costs (which just recently increased everyone!) and other small factors.

So yes, these might have cost us 40 dollars or whatever amount, but when we trade, we're trading a value of over 100 for a pin that might have cost 10 dollars that is valued that same amount.

 

[LANNYard]

what about the surprise release pins...only one per person now...they are worth 2-4x more in worth then the other 2 per person..