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Pin Thief...

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fuzzybunny said:
Hello all I am a facebook user and this is the first I have heard or seen about this, yes I asked for the name in private, but my take on this may be different than others, IF these pins that were taken are the newer ones then the person that owns them should have kept more control on them if they are so "valuable", but at the same time, those of us that cannot afford to pay those outrageous prices, would like them and there are those out there that will steal for them, if people would just value the pins at what they cost then maybe things would not get so out of hand, and people not be greedy and buy more than a few for trade then maybe there would be more for others to purchase.

If I have offended anyone that is to bad but that is my take on this, and yes the names should be available to anyone that wants to know who the culprit(s) are when things like this happen.

I don't get on here much any more either because of all the drama what ever happened to old fashioned pin trading, now everyone wants to sell and make money on little pieces of metal. Well am getting off my soapbox blood pressure is going up typing this.:mad:
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I think its not right to blame the victim for what happened!
 
I am not blaming the victim, was just saying that more control and watchful eye on the pins would maybe have prevented this from happening. I do know that it can happen have seen it done but with someone else helping to keep an eye on things would have been better.
 
Is this guy a member here? I've seen his name posted all over Facebook for this and I've met the guy at events before, but I have no idea if he is a member here or not. If he is then I think we should know or at the very least the people he stole from should leave negative feedback on his account. Then we just look at latest feedback and we will know who it was.
 
I would love to know who this is to keep myself safe- could someone PM me their name and Username?
 
Thank you for your feedback. You have given the Staff valid points to consider, and as long as the thread remains civil and on topic, we will be more than happy to leave it open.

Now please consider the following points (wearing my administrator hat): in this particular instance, if I understand the situation correctly (I am not on Facebook), the pin theft and subsequent aftermath did not take place on DPF. The only thing that has to do with DPF is that some (all?) of the participants are members. DPF Staff are not and cannot be either the internet police nor the pin police. Our jurisdiction ends when one leaves DPF's site; we (being Staff) have no authority over anything that happens outside of our little corner of the internet.

As a member of the pin trading community, I understand wanting to be warned about and protected against those who are out to steal from and take advantage of others. I do understand why you might want these members publicly named and a 'bad trader/seller' list established. As an administrator, such a list is a disaster waiting to happen: the threat of libel. While truth is a defense against libel, we don't want to have to prove the allegations that someone is a bad trader, seller, etc are true to avoid legal trouble - and we live in such a litigious society that someone either would sue or threaten to sue. It's fine for members to say 'go ahead and post the names', they won't have to deal with the consequences if someone who is named decides to sue the site or the Staff.

Furthermore, as was pointed out, this is a very slippery slope. Some of the names on the list might be merited, but others might be submitted for revenge, and once a name is on the list, that reputation is damaged (even if the name ultimately is removed) - and in pin trading, reputation is everything. Believe it or not, this isn't the first time a 'bad trader/seller' list was requested; it was requested and declined almost like clockwork on Dizpins - with very good reason. If you need to share this information, there are ways to do so without posting it on DPF. Information like this always was shared on Dizpins, and if you think DPF is tightly moderated, you don't know what tight moderation is ... .

I would just remind everyone that if people left the appropriate feedback, much of this wouldn't be necessary. Correctly left feedback would act as a bad trader/seller list in and of itself. All everyone would need to do is check the latest feedback left to figure out the identities, although given enough time, that won't be necessary for the really bad traders/sellers. Eventually the bad traders/sellers would accumulate so much bad feedback that their resulting low scores would make their identities painfully obvious.
 
fuzzybunny said:
I am not blaming the victim, was just saying that more control and watchful eye on the pins would maybe have prevented this from happening. I do know that it can happen have seen it done but with someone else helping to keep an eye on things would have been better.
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"Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially responsible for the harm that befell them." -Wikipedia
"the person that owns them should have kept more control on them if they are so "valuable", but at the same time, those of us that cannot afford to pay those outrageous prices, would like them and there are those out there that will steal for them" -Your statement

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You are blaming the victim. It's not their fault that the theft decided to steal their pins from their pin books, even if they were distracted or left them at a table. He stole four pins with a after market value of over $1000!! And he knew how valuable they are and the only reason they were returned was because he got caught. The pins that were stolen are pins that I would also like to have in my collection, but I would not stoop so low as to steal them! And we don't know if this collector had to pay those high prices, or had to over trade pins to get them. Stealing is wrong, and the victims should not be held accountable. Just because this person could not afford them, which may not be true in his case because he has a pretty good collection and job, that still doesn't give them a pass to steal.

Totally understand if you disagree with me :bigthumb:
 
Could someone please PM me with the name of the individual? Thanks.

I'm curious as to how the theft was caught; I mean, if you see a person wearing a pin that you had stolen... how do you know it's the exact same pin, rather than just that they had one too?

I'm a Facebook user, but I don't spend much time on there, and when I did a quick search for Disney pin groups, there were at least twenty or thirty results. Do you all belong to ALL the FB pin groups, or what? How does one decide?
 
this was posted on FB: (I removed all names just in case)


This post is concerning: [pin thief's name]
At [certain person]’s Party (may 3 2014) four high end pins went missing from [victim's name]'s pin book a Designer Belle, Lion King Beloved Tales, DSSH Frozen Sisters, and the Frozen Marquee resale value of the pins taken are worth $1,500.00.
Almost a month passes with no news or clues to who stole the pins till this weekend, [pin thief, known hereafter as P.T. for Pin Thief] showed up at the event showing off his newly acquired Lion King BT when we looked at it we noticed a small production error with the pin; next to Zazu the sky and cloud mix and make a line. The same error that was on the stolen BT, [victim] asked to talk to [P.T.] than at the event and ask him if he stole the pins [P.T.] denied the whole thing and claimed to have traded for it at DSSH earlier that week. Because word got out that we were on the way to confront him the owners feared we would get violent and escorted him to his car and drove off.
Later that day he posted on FB saying he put the BT on a Lanyard, if it was truly his and he was innocent why would he have done that?
This whole time [FB poster] was texting him to figure out what was going on, since [FB poster has] known him for years [FB poster] was giving him the benefit of the doubt and a chance to prove his innocence. He stopped texting [FB poster] back so [FB poster] became extremely clear on how this would end if [FB poster] did not get a reply. 24 hours later he calls [FB poster] scared and asked to conference call [victim] and [witness/mutual friend] so that we can talk about this. Right off the bat he came clean about taking the pins and tries to explain how things got out of control.
The main points of the call where:
1) Admitted to taking the pins.
2) Admitted to lying about his pins getting stolen.
3) Admitted to keeping the pins despite knowing they where stolen.
4) Admitted to trading the Belle Designer and attempting to trade the others also.
5) Admitted to lying about putting the BT on a lanyard.
6) Blamed it on being too drunk to realize he took the pins, yet not retuning them in fear of attack.
The phone call was recorded up to the point where I [FB poster] asked him why he was telling people [FB poster] took the pins when it was really him that did it. [FB poster] can share that audio or video with who ever requests it.
He retuned the pins to [original FB poster] today.
 
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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what do you mean by "putting the BT on a lanyard" ? Did the PT put the Lion King BT pin on his own lanyard ? Or did he later put it on someone else's lanyard?
 
Could someone please PM me with the name of this person? I would appreciate knowing who to watch out for when I am at the park. Thanks
 
Merryweather said:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what do you mean by "putting the BT on a lanyard" ? Did the PT put the Lion King BT pin on his own lanyard ? Or did he later put it on someone else's lanyard?
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just reiterating that I am NOT the original FB poster!!

as far as I understand the story, P.T. put the BT on his own lanyard and wore it to the My D Pins trading event. he originally stated that he traded for it at DSF and that only an innocent person would wear it on their lanyard.

later, another person provided a screenshot of a post by P.T. labeled "mail day" with the Lion King BT in the pic. also, P.T. later said he simply found those pins in his pin bag and that he did not take them.
 
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Thanks for your patient explanation Cheryl. What a mess! It is a sad thing to see, even as a witness from a distance.
 
Just got to say the name WILL NOT BE LISTED OR GIVEN. Please stop asking
The person got his pins back and we should just be happy its over.
I don't think that guy will steal again after this scare.
Just please people keep in mind to never leave your pin bag out of sight at parties.
 
I still don't know what this line means? What am I missing... "Later that day he posted on FB saying he put the BT on a Lanyard, if it was truly his and he was innocent why would he have done that?"
 
markheardjr said:
I still don't know what this line means? What am I missing... "Later that day he posted on FB saying he put the BT on a Lanyard, if it was truly his and he was innocent why would he have done that?"
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He's saying he put it on his lanyard because it was his and what person in their right mind would have the balls to put a stolen pin on their lanyard?
 
Disneycollector4994 said:
Just got to say the name WILL NOT BE LISTED OR GIVEN. Please stop asking
The person got his pins back and we should just be happy its over.
I don't think that guy will steal again after this scare.
Just please people keep in mind to never leave your pin bag out of sight at parties.
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There are a lot of people that have lost faith in this person and I can't blame them. So I don't blame them for knowing the name either. Let them ask the name if they want to know, it's still allowed to let people know who he/she is through a private conversation. Stealing will still be stealing, no matter how many times.
 
Romancing_Train said:
He's saying he put it on his lanyard because it was his and what person in their right mind would have the balls to put a stolen pin on their lanyard?
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Not exactly. What he did was post on Facebook that to avoid any further drama, he was heading to Disneyland to put the BT on a CAST MEMBER'S lanyard, so that it could find a new home anonymously. Then he pulled the post off almost instantly.
 
Spectromen said:
Not exactly. What he did was post on Facebook that to avoid any further drama, he was heading to Disneyland to put the BT on a CAST MEMBER'S lanyard, so that it could find a new home anonymously. Then he pulled the post off almost instantly.
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Ouch!! My head hurts just by reading these. I no longer envy trading events :sad:
 
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