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I like this idea a lot! I'm so grateful to you guys who can think outside the box like this :bigthumb:
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Thought for "wanted" threads....
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Your not alone, A few folks in chat were discussing it with me and mentioned their concerns about it too. This is why i posted the idea, i want all views.
The idea is that people would not be posting their "begging for this pin" replies, on the "upcoming release" discussion threads. And it would make it so those who do post on the primary wanted thread dont need to post separate threads. thus reducing the number of "Wanted WttM Cindy" threads. ((again, the wttm is just the example))
For instance, what if we had done this with the Iron man pins? instead of 5+ wanted threads we would have 1 for the DSF iron man release. Which would then mean 5 other wanted threads viewable on the main page of the trade forum. less clutter.
Agreed. It would just be a useful collection of info.
It also wouldn't prohibit people from still posting their own individual wanted/available threads if they prefer.
I don't see any reason to remove the buy/purchase option. If it is treated as just a list of info, not any kind of obligation or authority, I don't see what harm it does to have both options listed.
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my concern is that this thread idea is for the trade forum, there is a separate sales forum. don't want the 2 to overlap. and if someone wants to buy they should browse the sales threads to find the right price.
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I don't expect people to just post on that thread and refrain from posting their own wanted. I mean, there was a wanted for iron man pins even before they had been announced, as well as a wanted Brave Beloved Tales that is just rumored to happen (probably not for another 2-3 years). Unless the mods close every other wanted thread and move the info to the single wanted to buy/trade/sell thread.
This just sounds like a handful. Moderators have trouble responding to messages...let alone addressing every wanted thread. I think if we give them less work they might not be so irritable as to issue infractions left and right for the silliest things. Just my opinion...don't kill me for it.
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I think probably some people will use it and refrain from posting their own wanted, and some people won't. And I think that's fine.
Even if every single person posted their own wanted thread as well, such that this ended up being just one more thread... I don't really see any harm in that.
(And if nothing else, people would probably refrain from posting "oh I want this!" in the discussion threads, which is partly I think how this idea came up as some people are bothered by it.)
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not gonna kill ya for it
The idea is not for the MODs to deal with.. I state in the OP i could handle a few....naw, people would have the option to post there, not be required to post there, and I think it would reduce the number of wanted threads a bit. I do see your point. some folks would prolly post on it, AND do their own wanted thread. Thats their choice. I do however think it would reduce the number of "wanted" threads a little. And again.. This thought was started because someone complained about all the "begging" responses on the releases discussion threads.
That's a valid point. I can understand wanting to keep them separate.
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I think there needs to be a buy/sell option because most of the people who "beg" are trying to get the pin at cost.
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Perhaps if we try out the trade one first, and it succeeds we could expand to a thread for sales.... but everyone likes to sell at different prices and has different views of value.
I like the idea on paper but I see potential issues.
So let's say something cool is coming out. Let's say there's 5 pins in the set. Let's say retail is $80.
There will be people wanting to sell for high $, mid $ and low $ and some willing just to do a favor and buy, ship, etc. at cost. That's just for the whole set.
Then you have people who will only want to buy one (pick your number), two, three, etc. of the pins. Or sell certain pins.
It could be a bit chaotic. Though it's already a bit chaotic and unproductive now.
You could end up with a bit of an auction environment. That already exists on ebay.
I'm not saying that I am against this. I like the concept. I'd just like to see it work in practice.
So let's say something cool is coming out. Let's say there's 5 pins in the set. Let's say retail is $80.
There will be people wanting to sell for high $, mid $ and low $ and some willing just to do a favor and buy, ship, etc. at cost. That's just for the whole set.
Then you have people who will only want to buy one (pick your number), two, three, etc. of the pins. Or sell certain pins.
It could be a bit chaotic. Though it's already a bit chaotic and unproductive now.
You could end up with a bit of an auction environment. That already exists on ebay.
I'm not saying that I am against this. I like the concept. I'd just like to see it work in practice.
So what happens when people don't get help? When it becomes the same people helping the same people over and over again? Won't it start to seem cliquish and exclusionary? What happens when new people join the forum with no history with anybody? It's been brought up in the past by members that no one will trade with them simply because they are new or have no trade history, now it becomes a public spectacle. Or so it seems that it would.
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Good point.
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Very good point, and valid concern!
There are those on this forum who go out of their way to assist "new" traders. there are those who refuse to touch a new traders request with a ten foot pole as well. Weather we do this or not that will always be visible via threads and discussions. Nothing will change that. all social networks have cliques, even if we try to deny it.
perhaps if we just made the list of those wanting, and removed the names as they got the trade set up rather than marking them as set? Then the names of those getting trades would vanish and it would not be so obvious if the same people got help over and over? Also, theres the idea that if the same 2 traders help eachother out over and over, they would no longer need to post on this thread.
My thought is that a person buying the requested pin would be looking at the trade lists of those requesting the trade, not at WHO is making the request. It would work kind of like a pinpic trade request list, but only be DPF members you are looking at rather than the 1000's of pinpic members.
Well, I thought the idea was that the proposed thread is just a list of people saying "I'm looking for the pin" and other people saying "I have the pin", and the actual trading is done via PM with each other.
Everything you describe here is the way it is already... some people get the pins they want, some don't. Some people are only comfortable trading with people they know or their friends (and I'm not sure why that's a bad thing; you can't force people to be friends with each other, people like who they like), others are willing to trade with anyone. I don't think a master list thread would affect that at all, either for better or for worse.
I never said that people had to be forced. trade with whomever you want, I don't care. What i am saying is that there are already sob stories about how "nobody trades with me". Now this will put it on center stage.
...Or those of us who are on the fringes of the community but keep one foot in the pool, so to speak, so that they can still enjoy pin trading/collecting as a hobby but aren't as deep into it as others are. =) I know a few traders from back when i was more involved, but these days i don't know many of the newer traders, so I don't usually get any responses to my reaching out. I very rarely post that i'm interested in a pin, because a ton of others are already doing that too, so i usually don't bother because i inevitably have to find the pin on my own anyway. I wouldn't consider myself a "beggar", not when i express interest in obtaining a pin and reasonable ways of doing so. So i like the idea of this universal Wanted thread, where I don't feel bad about posting that I'm interested in a pin. LOL
I usually send out a few trade requests via Pinpics, but my traders aren't all that great these days, since i tend to just buy the pins i want. i may live within driving distance to DSF (a still long drive, but whatever), but i have a job that requires my time and presence and i have a lot of responsibilities that don't allow me to just take time off whenever, it's not laziness that dictates my not being able to go. i'm more than happy to offer a trade or to purchase the pin i'd like at a reasonable cost, not at cost, because it's only fair to pay more to cover time, gas, effort, etc.
sorry, got a little off-topic. but i like the idea of this suggested thread, i just hope it actually does help those of us wanting pins to connect with those who can and will help! =)
I feel the exact same way. I do not express interest in wanting to get a new release pin as I do not want to be perceived as a beggar and I understand what it takes to get these pins. I, of course, would love to trade for these pins as opposed to purchasing so I would love a master WANTED: XXX thread. This way we can do a quick post expressing our interest and those willing to trade can scroll through each post, hit each person's trade match link and see if anything interests them. If so, then they can PM the person. I think this would would be a great time saver for those who have the pin to trade. Perhaps this will encourage more trading and less selling which I think this forum could really use to help "rebuild our community".
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This discussion is incredibly helpful in clarifying the idea in my head. PinKitten, your reply was not at all off topic. And all the replies have valid points.
For those opposed to the idea, I see the concern with more "singling out" of those less popular folks. However i do not think it will be a crazy bad reaction, or have a strongly "clique" like response. I also do not think it is a thread style that would deteriorate into a drama filled mess. But then i tend to think everyone is like i am, willing to trade with just about anyone if the pins are fair exchange.
the basic idea is literally: These traders are looking for this pin, if you have it or can get it, please review their trade list and contact if you have a fair match you are willing to trade for. It is literally a trade request via DPF members only.
Would anyone be adverse to an "attempt" or trial run of this idea with the Mulan anniversary pin that is set to release on June 6th? I can run it in the trade forum and see what happens. If it goes BOOM or seems to get a bad response, we can give it up. if it succeeds We can decide what releases need the attention every month.
Before I do though, I would like a few last minute ideas for how it should look in the OP.
For those opposed to the idea, I see the concern with more "singling out" of those less popular folks. However i do not think it will be a crazy bad reaction, or have a strongly "clique" like response. I also do not think it is a thread style that would deteriorate into a drama filled mess. But then i tend to think everyone is like i am, willing to trade with just about anyone if the pins are fair exchange.
the basic idea is literally: These traders are looking for this pin, if you have it or can get it, please review their trade list and contact if you have a fair match you are willing to trade for. It is literally a trade request via DPF members only.
Would anyone be adverse to an "attempt" or trial run of this idea with the Mulan anniversary pin that is set to release on June 6th? I can run it in the trade forum and see what happens. If it goes BOOM or seems to get a bad response, we can give it up. if it succeeds We can decide what releases need the attention every month.
Before I do though, I would like a few last minute ideas for how it should look in the OP.
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I really like and dislike this idea simultaneously, I can see it causing a lot of ease with the Sale/Wanted Thread but at the same time make things difficult, here's why:
- The great thing about this thread is that, as you said, it would decrease the 5+ Wanted threads for each release, but the thing is, what if someone isn't looking for JUST the Iron Man 3 pins, but all the Iron Man 3 pins PLUS the Iron Man pin from the Avengers. Does this give them the okay to make a whole thread about wanting Iron Man pins just because they want one more pin that isn't in the DSF thread? Clearly it should give them the right to, and this opens up a can of worms that people will abuse I believe. When do the Wanted threads no longer matter? Like after how long does a pin have to be out for people to be able to want it NOT in that thread? These things can all be figured out though.
- Here's the bad problems that I see arising. Favoritism always has been a problem on DPF, I'll admit that everyone has seen it, and people get jealous, it's the body's natural way of responding to things like that, it isn't wrong, it's natural. With these Wanted threads, when multiple people want the same pins, it's great to see what people want. However, let's say that the order looks like this (the numbers go in order of who responded that they wanted it first):
1. Trader A (Willing to buy)
2. Trader B (Willing to trade/buy)
3. Trader C (Willing to buy)
4. Trader D (Willing to buy)
5. Trader E (Willing to buy)
Let's say it looked like that, and let's say that someone came out along with a fantastic price that all of them could afford, and yet they offered it to Trader D. I can see people holding grudges. I understand that you are allowed to sell it to who you want to sell it to, but by having everyone viewing the same thread, they can directly see when they are passed over in favor of someone else. At least when we have Wanted threads separate, IDK about you, but I don't read other people's Wanted threads when they want the same pins, so for all I know, some seller could be selling them the pins at cost. However, what does it matter to me? The offer wasn't offered to me and I don't know about it, so it can't hurt. The problem with putting them all in one thread is that people will literally get to see firsthand when they are passed over and this will easily create drama like "I think I am entitled to be the first pick because my name is #1" and you know that the drama llama is just begging to appear.
- Another problem that I see is that, with these separate Wanted threads, it's all too easy to just put yourself on the list for the heck of it. I mean, all it takes is one post, so why not? I know personally, I'd probably put my name on nearly every release just in case, all it takes is a post after all? When you have a Wanted thread, not only do you have to post the thread and constantly check it, but you have to bump it everyday, and believe me, as a frequent bumper (I've been sustaining 2 to 3 threads that are bumped daily for months, not missing a day) it isn't easy to keep track of them all :facepalm: With the Wanted threads, you will only have the people who honestly REALLY want the pins bumping and making the threads, because maintaining it isn't easy. With a thread like this, all you need is a simple "Put me on the list" and you are all of a sudden equal in wanting these pins as everyone else. I can just see it now, with the Iron Man release, right now, we have about 5 Wanted Threads. If there was a Wanted Main Thread, the list would at least be 40 people long, I mean, it isn't difficult to just say "put me on the list...why not?"
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but like most ideas that are mentioned, it's an imperfect one. I think it would be best to gauge how it would work out by actually implementing it on a less popular release and then work from there. Personally, I'd like to see one be formed, but IDK how it would work out in the end.
- The great thing about this thread is that, as you said, it would decrease the 5+ Wanted threads for each release, but the thing is, what if someone isn't looking for JUST the Iron Man 3 pins, but all the Iron Man 3 pins PLUS the Iron Man pin from the Avengers. Does this give them the okay to make a whole thread about wanting Iron Man pins just because they want one more pin that isn't in the DSF thread? Clearly it should give them the right to, and this opens up a can of worms that people will abuse I believe. When do the Wanted threads no longer matter? Like after how long does a pin have to be out for people to be able to want it NOT in that thread? These things can all be figured out though.
- Here's the bad problems that I see arising. Favoritism always has been a problem on DPF, I'll admit that everyone has seen it, and people get jealous, it's the body's natural way of responding to things like that, it isn't wrong, it's natural. With these Wanted threads, when multiple people want the same pins, it's great to see what people want. However, let's say that the order looks like this (the numbers go in order of who responded that they wanted it first):
1. Trader A (Willing to buy)
2. Trader B (Willing to trade/buy)
3. Trader C (Willing to buy)
4. Trader D (Willing to buy)
5. Trader E (Willing to buy)
Let's say it looked like that, and let's say that someone came out along with a fantastic price that all of them could afford, and yet they offered it to Trader D. I can see people holding grudges. I understand that you are allowed to sell it to who you want to sell it to, but by having everyone viewing the same thread, they can directly see when they are passed over in favor of someone else. At least when we have Wanted threads separate, IDK about you, but I don't read other people's Wanted threads when they want the same pins, so for all I know, some seller could be selling them the pins at cost. However, what does it matter to me? The offer wasn't offered to me and I don't know about it, so it can't hurt. The problem with putting them all in one thread is that people will literally get to see firsthand when they are passed over and this will easily create drama like "I think I am entitled to be the first pick because my name is #1" and you know that the drama llama is just begging to appear.
- Another problem that I see is that, with these separate Wanted threads, it's all too easy to just put yourself on the list for the heck of it. I mean, all it takes is one post, so why not? I know personally, I'd probably put my name on nearly every release just in case, all it takes is a post after all? When you have a Wanted thread, not only do you have to post the thread and constantly check it, but you have to bump it everyday, and believe me, as a frequent bumper (I've been sustaining 2 to 3 threads that are bumped daily for months, not missing a day) it isn't easy to keep track of them all :facepalm: With the Wanted threads, you will only have the people who honestly REALLY want the pins bumping and making the threads, because maintaining it isn't easy. With a thread like this, all you need is a simple "Put me on the list" and you are all of a sudden equal in wanting these pins as everyone else. I can just see it now, with the Iron Man release, right now, we have about 5 Wanted Threads. If there was a Wanted Main Thread, the list would at least be 40 people long, I mean, it isn't difficult to just say "put me on the list...why not?"
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but like most ideas that are mentioned, it's an imperfect one. I think it would be best to gauge how it would work out by actually implementing it on a less popular release and then work from there. Personally, I'd like to see one be formed, but IDK how it would work out in the end.
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All valid and great arguements Kupo!
I really think we ought to try it out. would the mulan anniversary pin be to good a pin for this test run?
- If a person wants more than just the pin(s) on the "master" thread, they can post their own wanted thread. This idea is not meant to replace all the wanted threads or make it so you can ONLY post on it. its an option to be on the wants list, to try and bring together good trades.
- The concern about favoritism regarding selling is fixed with not using it as a buy/sell thread. Will there be favoritism with regards to trading? Maybe, but its more based off what is available on a persons trade list.
- As to more people adding their names to the list because they may as well, yeah, we might encounter that. So there might be more people on the list who just want it as a trader? Is that any worse than the pinpics lists? I think we can always discourage that by telling people in the OP that we prefer the list to be for those who want the pin as a keeper perhaps? IDK tell me if that sounds like a decent idea?
- I don't think this would work for the super high popularity releases like DSF. I am thinking of this being more ideal for Park exclusive LE's. Like the WttM, or PoH or random others that might be decently sought after.
I really think we ought to try it out. would the mulan anniversary pin be to good a pin for this test run?
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