Pinpics response rate. Post your findings here.

[bwschultz]

I have been so disappointed with responses on my pinpics TA offers, I decided to look at the numbers. Nothing scietific and no data analysis will be made here. I just want to know what your experience has been.

In the last week I have sent out a total of 142 trade offers through Pinpics TA. I received 5 responses (approx 3.5%) and 2 trades have been made and one is still in the works.

The number of responses seem dismal. I take pride in trying to answer all offers that come my way. Now I might miss one or two every now and then but I can tell you it is certainly not only 3.5%.

All TA offers end with this statement:
If you do not wish to make any trades at this time, please send a courtesy reply so that the sender knows you received the trade request

Am I the only one that is not getting a "courtesy reply"

For those who even respond to my TA's, I have been thanking them for taking the time to at least respond (a courtesy reply to their courtesy reply.)

So what are your response rates?

Any suggestions on how to make it better?

 

[scottydem]

I get a lot of trade requests, but I can only look at a few and I don't have time to respond to each one. If I send a request out and don't get a response then I just figure the trade was denied. No big deal though.

I remember when I used to send out hundreds at a time, only maybe 5 or 6 would respond back.

 

[disneyfreak619]

ive sent out maybe 50 request in the past week or two and got 0 responses even trying to over trade just to see if i would get a response still nothing , if theres a secret to it please let me in on it

 

[bwschultz]

ive sent out maybe 50 request in the past week or two and got 0 responses even trying to over trade just to see if i would get a response still nothing , if theres a secret to it please let me in on it

I even put in the coment section in bold letters to "FEEL FREE TO CHECK OUT MY OTHER TRADERS. NO REASONABLE OFFER IS REFUSED" to try to tell people I am serious about trading and still get virtually no responses.

 

[Melonballer]

Since I have removed all Hidden Mickeys from my want list. I get few trade requests. No more le250 for Hidden Mickey requests for me. I do respond to most of the ones I get, probably all.

 

[dearpatty]

I wish I could start doing more trades! I'm working on building a collection first of some LE's before I start hoping wishing praying for trades through Pinpics TA. I've gotten one trade offer but I accidentally deleted it before I got to respond (since I was on my phone) and I haven't gotten an offer since.. But lately I've just been skimming through pinipcs to look for pins I wish to have someday.. Bwschultz you have some amazing pins! I'm surprised nobody responds to you.

 

[bwschultz]

I get a lot of trade requests, but I can only look at a few and I don't have time to respond to each one. If I send a request out and don't get a response then I just figure the trade was denied. No big deal though.

I remember when I used to send out hundreds at a time, only maybe 5 or 6 would respond back.

I can see if you get bombarded with bad trade offers time and again of not responding to them. You are lucky to get so many offers. I have about double the pins you have in my traders and I am lucky to get 1 or 2 TA's a week. Now I'll have to check out your traders...LOL Thanks for your response

 

[Gloomy]

Personally, I don't respond to trade offers that I'm not interested in, and I generally prefer no response if there isn't a workable trade or possible counter-offer. "Deny" messages are inconvenient to be deleting all week, especially since they go to both my computer and my phone. I wouldn't inflict that on someone else, though I understand those who do only mean it as a courtesy.

-JD

 

[scottydem]

I can see if you get bombarded with bad trade offers time and again of not responding to them. You are lucky to get so many offers. I have about double the pins you have in my traders and I am lucky to get 1 or 2 TA's a week. Now I'll have to check out your traders...LOL Thanks for your response

Oh no no haha, I should probably say that I check my e-mail usually once per 2 days and each day I get about 2 to 4 requests. And so it adds up haha


But having some recent DS pins helps the requests out a lot lol

 

[Abyssinian28]

I don't see the point in responding if I'm not interested, and I'm offended that people label me as "rude" just because I don't

If it's not a personal e-mail, you're not speaking directly to me, and I don't have to answer.

Also? Knowledge of a "No, thanks" doesn't get you any closer to the pin I have than no reply at all.

 

[bwschultz]

Personally, I don't respond to trade offers that I'm not interested in, and I generally prefer no response if there isn't a workable trade or possible counter-offer. "Deny" messages are inconvenient to be deleting all week, especially since they go to both my computer and my phone. I wouldn't inflict that on someone else, though I understand those who do only mean it as a courtesy.

-JD

Thank you for your input. However, you might want to take this into consideration, if I take the time to try to make fairly equal offers and repeatedly do not get responses from a particular trader I have begun removing any TA's to that particular trader before they even get sent off. I have a lot of high end pins up for trade and think about what you might be loosing out by at least not acknowledging other traders. I can't be the only one who is doing this.

I cannot guess what another trader specifically wants for a particular pin, so I invite people to check out my traders to see if there is something that they might want.

Does anybody else check out other's traders and make counter offers or is that too much to ask?

 

[bwschultz]

I don't see the point in responding if I'm not interested, and I'm offended that people label me as "rude" just because I don't

If it's not a personal e-mail, you're not speaking directly to me, and I don't have to answer.

Also? Knowledge of a "No, thanks" doesn't get you any closer to the pin I have than no reply at all.

Wow! Where did that come from. Nowhere in my comments or in any other comments thus far have I ever even mention the word rude and yet you have it in quotes. If I offended you by this post that is not the intent. I am mearly trying to shed light on a subject that I had some questions as I am sure others, especially newbies, have as well.

 

[Gloomy]

Thank you for your input. However, you might want to take this into consideration, if I take the time to try to make fairly equal offers and repeatedly do not get responses from a particular trader I have begun removing any TA's to that particular trader before they even get sent off. I have a lot of high end pins up for trade and think about what you might be loosing out by at least not acknowledging other traders. I can't be the olny one who is doing this.

I don't understand why you'd do this. This seems like it takes more effort on your behalf to shut a door on a potential trade. Isn't it easier to just not edit your TA's like that?

Does anybody else check out other's traders and make counter offers or is that too much to ask?

Yeah, I do this pretty religiously with every TA Request I get, actually. If there's a workable trade there, I want to find it.

-JD

 

[erudolf]

Wow! Where did that come from. Nowhere in my comments or in any other comments thus far have I ever even mention the word rude and yet you have it in quotes. If I offended you by this post that is not the intent. I am mearly trying to shed light on a subject that I had some questions as I am sure others, especially newbies, have as well.

This topic has been discussed many many many times before and in the past those comments have been made. I believe that is what she was referring to, not a direct response to you.

 

[bwschultz]

I don't understand why you'd do this. This seems like it takes more effort on your behalf to shut a door on a potential trade. Isn't it easier to just not edit your TA's like that?
-JD

It's as simple as this, I am not into pin trading to simply score a pin. I like dealing with and talking to other people and sharing with others what we have in common, collecting and trading pins. If I lived closer to the parks then I would go there all the time to get this, but all I have is pinpics and the forum. If I never get a response time and time again why not try to give that pin to someone else who might be in it for the same reasons I am. Is that foolish, maybe.

 

[hopemax]

Does anybody else check out other's traders and make counter offers or is that too much to ask?

Sometimes. If the trade is "in the ballpark," than yes. If it's not close and there were other matches available, than I figure the requester had the chance to send a more fair trade and chose not too, so what are the odds of them accepting anyway. Either they didn't select a pin from their trades that would have been a match (by clicking on the what could I trade to get this pin link), or they went to their HM pin page and selected the unbalanced trade (what pins could I receive by trading this pin link). I don't like fishing, and tend not to trade with people who do. I guess I make fewer trades, but I still make more trades now than I did the last time I was active on Pinpics, so I'm okay with it.

My requests fall into 2 categories. The HM/PWP for HTF or more expensive pins, or the ones that I make. I get very few requests that fall in the middle where I can see how it could be a fair trade for some people, but I just don't value the pin offered as something else on my wants list.

 

[bwschultz]

Thank you all for your comments thus far. I am learning with each comment as I still consider myself a newbie as I have not been trading for that long. I would really be interested in finding out what percentage others are getting on their TA's If you have time to sit and calculate the numbers that would be great. If not that is ok too.

I welcome your comments, but keep in mind this is not inteded to call anybody out or dig on anyone. I'm just expressing my thoughts. I am just trying to learn others perspectives.

 

[bwschultz]

Sometimes. If the trade is "in the ballpark," than yes. If it's not close and there were other matches available, than I figure the requester had the chance to send a more fair trade and chose not too, so what are the odds of them accepting anyway. Either they didn't select a pin from their trades that would have been a match.

I agree that if the trade offer is a HM for a LE100 I will simply reply no thanks and leave it at that. But here is where I think there is a problem with pinpics. I cannot possibly guess what another trader will accept for a particular pin so in his/her opinion it might be an uneven offer because they value the pin differently than I do so I might not even be in the ballpark. However I might just have that pin they are looking for. You will not know the answer if you never ask the question.

For me I often select many pins for the one pin a trader has to also let them know that I am not limited to just offering one pin. I look at pinpics as opening up a dialog not as a firm offer. Maybe that is where I am going wrong.

 

[Mischiefmanaged]

If it's not a personal e-mail, you're not speaking directly to me, and I don't have to answer.

Also? Knowledge of a "No, thanks" doesn't get you any closer to the pin I have than no reply at all.

This is where I would have to disagree a little bit. Not everyone has their email listed on pin pics, therefore the only means of contact would be to send an automated request. If you don't have your address listed, how can someone contact you directly? (I'm not saying anyone personally, I'm saying "you" to mean a general person). If I get no response, then I don't get the chance to find out what you actually DO want for the pin you have on your trades. And although sometimes a long shot, but you then miss out on one more person trying to help you find your wanted pin in order to make a trade with you. A "no thanks" email allows me to open a conversation to be able to find out what it WOULD take in order to make a trade, because by sending a reply I can now make direct contact with you as I now have your email address. But when I get no response at all, then we are both sort of losing out. Just the other day someone sent me a personal email asking for a certain pin, but explained that they don't have any matches and were wondering what we wanted to trade the pin for. I told them what pins we were looking for, and they sent out requests for us for those pins. So that means if they do get a pin we want, we can trade! The person who sent me the private email gets the pin they were searching for, and we get the pin we were looking for also! It's a win/win situation.

The other thing I've noticed with the few people who have their email listed, is when I take the time to send a personal email to the person telling them which pin I am interested in and asking what they are looking to trade it for, I'm not even getting responses to those emails. First it was mostly through regular email, but I'm noticing it more and more here on the forum also.

I respond to all trade requests, with the exception that someone else stated. When its the same request, for the same pin, with the same offers, from the same person, every single day after you have told them what you would like to trade the pin for, that's when I will stop replying. I don't stop replying forever, I will respond occasionally to remind them what I would like to trade the pin for. But I ALWAYS look through their traders (not just the matches) to see if a possible counter offer can be made before I respond with a "no thank you, hope to trade in the future!"

And someone else mentioned writing comments about mentioning counter offers and asking them to look through the trade list for other possible trades. I used to do that, but one reply I got a couple weeks back just proved to me that hardly anyone actually reads the comments. Yes, the trade I sent out was unfair, and I made sure that the person the request was going to knew that I was aware it wasn't fair. I was simply trying to make contact with someone. The person was anonymous, and only one pin matched up for it. I put in the comment section something along the lines of stating "I know this trade is unfair. Please look through my traders for other possible offers". The response I got was "Please make a serious offer, or no offer at all." Obviously the person did not read my comment.

I've given up on pinpics almost altogether. I use it more for inventory purposes then actually sending out trade requests. I used to send TONS every night. Now it's the occasional 3-5 every couple of days, and I too will go through the TAs and delete the ones that I know for a fact won't bother responding. Which will sometimes drop the number of requests to 1 or 2, or sometimes none at all. We used to get several requests a day, now it's down to no more then 3 every few days. Some days we don't get any at all. Waking up to requests used to be exciting to me, but now Pinpics has become a ghost town.

I cannot possibly guess what another trader will accept for a particular pin so in his/her opinion it might be an uneven offer because they value the pin differently than I do so I might not even be in the ballpark. However I might just have that pin they are looking for. You will not know the answer if you never ask the question.

That basically sums up what I just spent forever trying to type out to make sense.

 

[bwschultz]

Also? Knowledge of a "No, thanks" doesn't get you any closer to the pin I have than no reply at all.

For the most part, you are correct with this comment. However, I personally have made many trades after I have sent others a note thanking them for responding to my trade offers. In that sence it is a direct email to the trader and it is more personal. It may not get me closer to the pin in the original TA but is gets me a lot closer to other pins that the trader has that he or she might be willing to trade just by knowing that I am willing to negotiate a fair trade. Again, I look as the TA offers as a starting point and not a contract set in stone.

 

[iamdisneydan]

Thank you for your input. However, you might want to take this into consideration, if I take the time to try to make fairly equal offers and repeatedly do not get responses from a particular trader I have begun removing any TA's to that particular trader before they even get sent off. I have a lot of high end pins up for trade and think about what you might be loosing out by at least not acknowledging other traders. I can't be the only one who is doing this.

I cannot guess what another trader specifically wants for a particular pin, so I invite people to check out my traders to see if there is something that they might want.

Does anybody else check out other's traders and make counter offers or is that too much to ask?

Hey Buddy.

I personally dont think you are out of line and of course everyone is entitled to their own way of doing things. I think what you need to remember is that some people on PinPics put their stuff up and rarely check their personal email. I agree that the whole purpose is to get trades and of course you are offering them a pin on their wants list so you would think they would want the pin. I know you are a VERY fair trader and by making the comments you make about looking at your other traders for the pin you want is fair. Unfortunately, your synopsis is pretty accurate as far as the amount of people who respond.

Many people list their trades, wants and if something matches, they go for it. While you may have plenty of other pins they want, they do not have time to look so unless its presented right in front of them and takes little of their time, forget it.

I feel your pain. Thats the beauty of the DPF forum though in my opinion. Try to trade with people on the forum and you will almost always get some kind of response and almost everyone knows your name so I would expect you to get a response.

Ocassionally, I just go through the community list and click on matches and see what I get. I know that is a lot more work but maybe its better time invested in a trade that can actually happen. I would trade with ya anyday....but you know that already.

Good Luck.

 

[iamdisneydan]

For the most part, you are correct with this comment. However, I personally have made many trades after I have sent others a note thanking them for responding to my trade offers. In that sence it is a direct email to the trader and it is more personal. It may not get me closer to the pin in the original TA but is gets me a lot closer to other pins that the trader has that he or she might be willing to trade just by knowing that I am willing to negotiate a fair trade. Again, I look as the TA offers as a starting point and not a contract set in stone.

+1 Bruce. Same experience here.

 

[Gloomy]

The person was anonymous, and only one pin matched up for it. I put in the comment section something along the lines of stating "I know this trade is unfair. Please look through my traders for other possible offers". The response I got was "Please make a serious offer, or no offer at all." Obviously the person did not read my comment.

I too feel that the comment section gets ignored alot. I wish it had a more prominent place in the e-mail, and I wish it could be longer than a mere sixty characters. That character limit is killer. It's like trying to write a rassafruckin' haiku. >_<

-JD

EDIT: Also I know I say it alot, but can I take a second to reiterate my utter psychotic hatred for the option to be 'anonymous' on Pinpics? GRARARARAR! >_<

 

[Abyssinian28]

This topic has been discussed many many many times before and in the past those comments have been made. I believe that is what she was referring to, not a direct response to you.

Yeah, this. This topic comes up every couple of months, and no offense to the original poster, but I'm just a little sick of defending this position after 5+ years...

That's all.

 

[Abyssinian28]

This is where I would have to disagree a little bit. Not everyone has their email listed on pin pics, therefore the only means of contact would be to send an automated request. If you don't have your address listed, how can someone contact you directly? (I'm not saying anyone personally, I'm saying "you" to mean a general person). If I get no response, then I don't get the chance to find out what you actually DO want for the pin you have on your trades. And although sometimes a long shot, but you then miss out on one more person trying to help you find your wanted pin in order to make a trade with you. A "no thanks" email allows me to open a conversation to be able to find out what it WOULD take in order to make a trade, because by sending a reply I can now make direct contact with you as I now have your email address. But when I get no response at all, then we are both sort of losing out. Just the other day someone sent me a personal email asking for a certain pin, but explained that they don't have any matches and were wondering what we wanted to trade the pin for. I told them what pins we were looking for, and they sent out requests for us for those pins. So that means if they do get a pin we want, we can trade! The person who sent me the private email gets the pin they were searching for, and we get the pin we were looking for also! It's a win/win situation.

The other thing I've noticed with the few people who have their email listed, is when I take the time to send a personal email to the person telling them which pin I am interested in and asking what they are looking to trade it for, I'm not even getting responses to those emails. First it was mostly through regular email, but I'm noticing it more and more here on the forum also.

I respond to all trade requests, with the exception that someone else stated. When its the same request, for the same pin, with the same offers, from the same person, every single day after you have told them what you would like to trade the pin for, that's when I will stop replying. I don't stop replying forever, I will respond occasionally to remind them what I would like to trade the pin for. But I ALWAYS look through their traders (not just the matches) to see if a possible counter offer can be made before I respond with a "no thank you, hope to trade in the future!"

And someone else mentioned writing comments about mentioning counter offers and asking them to look through the trade list for other possible trades. I used to do that, but one reply I got a couple weeks back just proved to me that hardly anyone actually reads the comments. Yes, the trade I sent out was unfair, and I made sure that the person the request was going to knew that I was aware it wasn't fair. I was simply trying to make contact with someone. The person was anonymous, and only one pin matched up for it. I put in the comment section something along the lines of stating "I know this trade is unfair. Please look through my traders for other possible offers". The response I got was "Please make a serious offer, or no offer at all." Obviously the person did not read my comment.

I've given up on pinpics almost altogether. I use it more for inventory purposes then actually sending out trade requests. I used to send TONS every night. Now it's the occasional 3-5 every couple of days, and I too will go through the TAs and delete the ones that I know for a fact won't bother responding. Which will sometimes drop the number of requests to 1 or 2, or sometimes none at all. We used to get several requests a day, now it's down to no more then 3 every few days. Some days we don't get any at all. Waking up to requests used to be exciting to me, but now Pinpics has become a ghost town.



That basically sums up what I just spent forever trying to type out to make sense.

No, it makes sense. There is a certain logic to it...although if we're going that route, I wouldn't send a "No, thanks"- I would send a "willing to trade this, but not interested in this pin at this time. Are you up to a dialogue?".

But the thing is there are a LOT of traders out there who constantly harp on about how rude it is not to reply, and that's the issue I have when this topic gets brought up. Bottom line, I don't have to, and it doesn't make me a bad person if I don't want to. And just because I'm not responding doesn't mean I'm not looking at your Pinpics and weighing the options before making the decision whether or not to contact you.