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All these sales games

Should sales games have a sub forum?

  • Yes

    Votes: 115 94.3%

  • No

    Votes: 7 5.7%
  • Total voters
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All these sales games
I wish my wife was here to moderate my thoughts as I post, but she is not, so hopefully I do not say something that may offend anyone...

First I believe that before any sub-form is established that guidelines do need to be looked at... Those of you stating gaming laws and such are the reason why they need to do this... These were intended to be fun games that give back what the players put in... But some people get butt hurt if things do not go their way or they lose... and thus start to complain...

My games have always had fair prize value for what was paid into them and often I add bonus prizes when I can... We have never kept profits from our games, in fact we have given out hundreds of pins in the 8 months that I have been a member...

When I have larger amount games, everybody wins!!! And any profits ever established are always donated to a charity... Do we have to do this?? NO!!!!! these are our pins that we purchased and often give away at prices lower than what we originally paid for them... But we do it because we feel that is what makes up happy...

When I started my Auctions, everybody copied the idea and did their own versions (Never as good as the original...lol), but they did none the less... There were complainers then too, but the MOD's did the proper thing and didn't jump the gun, they methodically thought how to best deal with the overwhellming amount of people coping my idea... Thus the DPF Auction House was formed with proper guidelines that were streamlined along the way to what is now a smooth forum and fun feature that you can only find here on DPF...

Games are fun, and yes they are a risk (a Gamble for you sinics)... but when they are run properly and fairly, everyone wins and the forum is a funner place, but when people try to abuse the idea... Well their thread sits there for days without a response... Look at the people known for fair games and see how fast their games sell out... The ones not putting up fair things will fail as their failed attempts to trade do...

Honesty and fairness are the key to games, games should have the pre-determined results sent to a Moderator prior to the game beginning for verification purposes if ever needed... But people do not and how is anyone to know that the secret PoDM that you can feel through the bubble envelope (Or Whatever special item...) is not getting sent to a friend???

I can go on, but why...??? There will always be those that complain no matter how much fun others may be having... So be it...
 
beeatingu said:
You guys are all making this into something it's not. And FYI people do not give out their worst traders as the other prizes. I recall giving out 5-6 podms as well as nothing but wdi and DSF pins as prizes!To assume that people are being greedy is just ignorance.
It is season of giving an I think people have been more than generous allowing people the chance to win such great pins for so cheap! I don't get how anyone wouldn't want someone tohave this chance?
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This discussion is not about getting rid of the games, it is about putting them in a sub forum, and perhaps, for the protection of those buying in, some regulation. There has also been some concern expressed about the legality of certain types of sales games. It has nothing to do with greed or ignorance.

It is specifically about making sure the "standard" sales threads dont get lost. Lets keep the topic on target.

1~ A sub forum for sales games or no?
2~And if it were done, what rules should be put in place to protect the buyers and sellers?
 
FWIW, I don't think anyone is against you Moe. The idea of the games are wonderful and some are very creative. But they do clutter the forum and there is definitely some legal implications as I'm beyond certain that certain types of them are illegal which as a forum owner is something I'd be leery of.

And yeah we can nix the whole legal debate because to me, it doesn't matter. That's for the admins to discuss.

What I care about is a sub-forum so it is both easier to find them and regular sales threads. Seems easy enough.
 
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Goofy_Moe said:
I wish my wife was here to moderate my thoughts as I post, but she is not, so hopefully I do not say something that may offend anyone...

First I believe that before any sub-form is established that guidelines do need to be looked at... Those of you stating gaming laws and such are the reason why they need to do this... These were intended to be fun games that give back what the players put in... But some people get butt hurt if things do not go their way or they lose... and thus start to complain...

My games have always had fair prize value for what was paid into them and often I add bonus prizes when I can... We have never kept profits from our games, in fact we have given out hundreds of pins in the 8 months that I have been a member...

When I have larger amount games, everybody wins!!! And any profits ever established are always donated to a charity... Do we have to do this?? NO!!!!! these are our pins that we purchased and often give away at prices lower than what we originally paid for them... But we do it because we feel that is what makes up happy...

When I started my Auctions, everybody copied the idea and did their own versions (Never as good as the original...lol), but they did none the less... There were complainers then too, but the MOD's did the proper thing and didn't jump the gun, they methodically thought how to best deal with the overwhellming amount of people coping my idea... Thus the DPF Auction House was formed with proper guidelines that were streamlined along the way to what is now a smooth forum and fun feature that you can only find here on DPF...

Games are fun, and yes they are a risk (a Gamble for you sinics)... but when they are run properly and fairly, everyone wins and the forum is a funner place, but when people try to abuse the idea... Well their thread sits there for days without a response... Look at the people known for fair games and see how fast their games sell out... The ones not putting up fair things will fail as their failed attempts to trade do...

Honesty and fairness are the key to games, games should have the pre-determined results sent to a Moderator prior to the game beginning for verification purposes if ever needed... But people do not and how is anyone to know that the secret PoDM that you can feel through the bubble envelope (Or Whatever special item...) is not getting sent to a friend???

I can go on, but why...??? There will always be those that complain no matter how much fun others may be having... So be it...
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Well stated, I didn't post this to complain, i posted this to discuss the potential need for a sub forum like the auctions have. And to discuss what regulations may be needed for that sub forum. Thank you Moe.
 
Goofy_Moe said:
I wish my wife was here to moderate my thoughts as I post, but she is not, so hopefully I do not say something that may offend anyone...

First I believe that before any sub-form is established that guidelines do need to be looked at... Those of you stating gaming laws and such are the reason why they need to do this... These were intended to be fun games that give back what the players put in... But some people get butt hurt if things do not go their way or they lose... and thus start to complain...

My games have always had fair prize value for what was paid into them and often I add bonus prizes when I can... We have never kept profits from our games, in fact we have given out hundreds of pins in the 8 months that I have been a member...

When I have larger amount games, everybody wins!!! And any profits ever established are always donated to a charity... Do we have to do this?? NO!!!!! these are our pins that we purchased and often give away at prices lower than what we originally paid for them... But we do it because we feel that is what makes up happy...

When I started my Auctions, everybody copied the idea and did their own versions (Never as good as the original...lol), but they did none the less... There were complainers then too, but the MOD's did the proper thing and didn't jump the gun, they methodically thought how to best deal with the overwhellming amount of people coping my idea... Thus the DPF Auction House was formed with proper guidelines that were streamlined along the way to what is now a smooth forum and fun feature that you can only find here on DPF...

Games are fun, and yes they are a risk (a Gamble for you sinics)... but when they are run properly and fairly, everyone wins and the forum is a funner place, but when people try to abuse the idea... Well their thread sits there for days without a response... Look at the people known for fair games and see how fast their games sell out... The ones not putting up fair things will fail as their failed attempts to trade do...

Honesty and fairness are the key to games, games should have the pre-determined results sent to a Moderator prior to the game beginning for verification purposes if ever needed... But people do not and how is anyone to know that the secret PoDM that you can feel through the bubble envelope (Or Whatever special item...) is not getting sent to a friend???

I can go on, but why...??? There will always be those that complain no matter how much fun others may be having... So be it...
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I personally like the games; I play the ones that attract me (mostly yours) and I don't play the others.
I don't think that anyone meant to attack you or your games Moe. You're right that some games sell out quickly (like yours) and some don't, and the reasons why are usually obvious.
Surely we can discuss where the games should be listed and the possible implications for DPF without things becoming personal?
 
I think a subforum would be nice, just to keep things more organized. That way if you have cash to burn and you want to buy something, your WANTED post also doesn't get buried (that seems to happen often as well). It's hard to find something specific with all of the games.

But I like the games! I think they are awesome ideas and are very creative! If they are not for you, simply don't participate, but many members enjoy them! :)

And I don't personally see them as "illegal," but as previously stated, we can let the mods discuss that.

For the rules and regulations, I think that there needs to be some sort of system established where the game runner must state the variety of pins available (i.e., DA, LE, PODM, rack, etc.) so players know what they are getting in to. The "coolness" of the prizes should have something to do with a point system, perhaps based on the number of spaces/slots/rounds available for play? I wouldn't want someone to take advantage of the system and try to do one with one LE 2000 pins and 99 hidden Mickeys, if you know what I'm saying.

Also, game runners should have to be a member of the forum for x amount of time, and have x amount of feedback. Establishing some sort of presence is key before trying to do something that incorporates the trust of so many people, especially when payments are being made as gifts 99% of the time. Of course it is the buyer's job to protect themselves, but something simple like that could help. :)

Just some thoughts! :wiggle:
 
I've seen plenty of fair games not sell out, so to insinuate that if they're not sold out quickly, they must be unfair, isn't really accurate or fair. Just my two cents. I think part of it is just a popularity thing, and that's fine. If you want to participate in one, awesome, if not, don't. It's pretty simple :)
 
beeatingu said:
I was keeping on target, someone else started talking about games being illegal. Maybe thys who threw the whole thread off! :p I originally said a game subforum would be a great idea!

And moe +1
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The games that may be of potential legal concerns are the ones where those paying money are not guaranteed something in return- that would not include yours :)

I personally had fun with the bingo game and didn't think about the legal issues, but I do agree that a sub forum may need to be thought of and it might be good to only allow games where all entrants are guaranteed something.

And this is not at all because I'm unhappy with the games I've entered (entered 2 where I didn't win anything but still enjoyed as I had an opportunity at some great pins!), but because realisitically it would be in the best interest of the site overall and those who run the games (such as I would hate for someone disgruntled about not winning something to come back and take it out on the members and/or site.)


Just my 2 cents. Games have been fun to see and participate in around the forums but it's always a good idea to reevaluate things going on at DPF and see if there may be some revisions that can be made for the benefit of the site and members alike =)
 
echoharmony said:
I've seen plenty of fair games not sell out, so to insinuate that if they're not sold out quickly, they must be unfair, isn't really accurate or fair. Just my two cents. I think part of it is just a popularity thing, and that's fine. If you want to participate in one, awesome, if not, don't. It's pretty simple :)
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Lol exactly I don't remember putting a gun to Anyones head!
AINT NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT!! hahaha XD
 
echoharmony said:
I've seen plenty of fair games not sell out, so to insinuate that if they're not sold out quickly, they must be unfair, isn't really accurate or fair. Just my two cents. I think part of it is just a popularity thing, and that's fine. If you want to participate in one, awesome, if not, don't. It's pretty simple :)
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Fair point. Lets not make broad generalized statements.

Do you think it needs it's own subforum? and what kind of rules would you like to see in place to protect the sellers and buyers?
 
Someone else mentioned this already and I agree: all the prizes should be listed/pictured, so people know exactly which pins are available to be won.
 
echoharmony said:
I've seen plenty of fair games not sell out, so to insinuate that if they're not sold out quickly, they must be unfair, isn't really accurate or fair. Just my two cents. I think part of it is just a popularity thing, and that's fine. If you want to participate in one, awesome, if not, don't. It's pretty simple :)
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Agreed - I also suspect that some aren't selling out simply because there are so many right now.
 
Story said:
... (such as I would hate for someone disgruntled about not winning something to come back and take it out on the members and/or site.)
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This is pretty much what I was thinking.

So, maybe the first step is to ask the mods/admin decide if they are willing to keep the games on the site in the first place.

If the games get a green light, then they can discuss and anounce the details.
 
echoharmony said:
I've seen plenty of fair games not sell out, so to insinuate that if they're not sold out quickly, they must be unfair, isn't really accurate or fair. Just my two cents. I think part of it is just a popularity thing, and that's fine. If you want to participate in one, awesome, if not, don't. It's pretty simple :)
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Actually it is not a popularity thing... If the prizes are worth playing for then the people will play unless you are just straight out dishonest and people know it... If people are not playing the game it is usually because the prizes are crap and paying $10 for crap is not really that much fun...

I have only been a member for 8 months and beeatingu has been here since July... Are you saying she has such a popularity already that her games sell out because of that??? No it is because her games kick *** and her prizes do too!!!!!!!

Our members are not dumb people and they do not need play anyone's games... they do because they are fun and the prizes are worth taking a risk for...
 
I do think it needs its own subforum, with its own set of guidelines and rules. I feel like some of what has been said in this thread has been aimed at me, since I started my own first game last night, but I'm trying not to take it personally. Anyway. I think each game needs to be really up front and clear about what kinds of things are going to be used as prizes. IE in my game, I state clearly that there will be no scrappers, hidden mickeys, propins, sedesmas, buttons, etc. I also go on to list some of the types of things that WILL be included. WDI, cast exclusive, DSF, PODM, Auction, etc. that way people know what they're getting into. I've participated in three of these types of games only; once I received a marble but no pin, once I received nothing, and once I received(from grimm) a button, a vinylmation pin, and a year pin. I personally don't have a problem with games where there's a chance you don't get anything, but I feel those ones the entry fee should be a lot less. Of course, I don't know my way around the legal system when it comes to gaming/gambling etc. so I don't know the legal implications of any of this.
 
Goofy_Moe said:
Actually it is not a popularity thing... If the prizes are worth playing for then the people will play unless you are just straight out dishonest and people know it... If people are not playing the game it is usually because the prizes are crap and paying $10 for crap is not really that much fun...

I have only been a member for 8 months and beeatingu has been here since July... Are you saying she has such a popularity already that her games sell out because of that??? No it is because her games kick *** and her prizes do too!!!!!!!

Our members are not dumb people and they do not need play anyone's games... they do because they are fun and the prizes are worth taking a risk for...
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Woah, woah, woah. Are you calling me dishonest, and my pins crap, Moe? If you have a problem with me, then we can talk about it, but please don't attack me simply because I stated an opinion.
 
I'd rather buy a random bag o' whatever and have a chance at a grand prize pin than have to worry about collecting cards, marbles, twigs, shrubberies, and whatever else to enter the next. That just gets tedious and way to complicated to follow. I guess some have time to figure it all out. I don't. I'll throw $10 at anyone for a random whatever. Keeping track and collecting inanimate objects for the next one, not so much. The one time I did buy a random bag o' stuff from Moe he was great. He said I didn't win the big prize, but he did look at my wants and gave me a LE pin from my wants plus another rack pin valued over the bag price so I was completely happy with it.
 
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My opinion is that there is too many "games". There appears to be 5 or 6 on the go at any one time.

But the big issue is the law and what is legal and what is not.

And the ones where there is less prizes than numbers are the most likely to be illegal as it becomes a lottery.
 
Merryweather said:
This is pretty much what I was thinking.

So, maybe the first step is to ask the mods/admin decide if they are willing to keep the games on the site in the first place.

If the games get a green light, then they can discuss and anounce the details.
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Definitely agree! The mods may not even be comfortable with games period or may have their own ideas about what they prefer as rules for games. So hopefully they will be able to give their input soon.
 
I would suggest if the games get to stay and guidelines may be put into play then one could be that everyone entering must get a prize in some form as this to me would seperate those who are trying to get a quick buck and only offering a hand full of pins but many places to those who are offering a prize for each entrant of the game so everyone is a winner in some form or another. As I would hate to pay $15 for a few places and then not get anything as I would bet other people would as well.

**This is not to mention any games out there at the time of typing this out as I dont look at games lol**
 
These games have been going on for a couple of weeks now!
Is it the really the fact that it may be illegal that is bothering everyone?
I feel that the purpose of this thread has completely changed.
If you are not answering the original question of whether a subforum should
Be made then maybe a new thread should be made?
In this case a petition XD haha
 
I added a poll regarding what this topic is actually about folks. Please remember that this topic is not a personal attack on anyone. And lets all try to stay civil. Its a simple question of yes or no and what rules should there be.
 
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