Can we do it?

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Alright before I get started I want everyone to understand that even I don't know what is going through my head right now. All I know is that I feel like a topic of discussion that should be permitted has been muzzled.

I am not upset, but frustrated. I am not angry, I am confused. I do not want this thread to blow up into a "ice cream bomb" needed, drama fest, but I accept that it might. I am literally going to re-read and edit this thread about 3x before posting because it is a sensitive subject.

This thread is about weather we can or not. It is not about actual releases. The topic is, "Can we do it??"

I know for sure this is something that should be allowed to be discussed. This is a PIN forum after all. I want to discuss Upcoming DSF releases. Not to hype them. That is the last thing I want. I cannot go to a DSF release if it is going to require me getting there before 8pm Friday night. So Hyped, crazy, releases do not benefit me in any way shape or form. They benefit no-one.

After the BT release it appears that everyone assumed there was a BAN from discussing upcoming DSF releases in general. ALL of them. I do not think that was actually the case. Originally the ban was on that release specifically. I think they wanted to stop the crazy hype threads that would post 3 weeks prior to the release. The threads that made people think the only way to get those pins was to camp for 3 days, push, shove, and be anti community....

Do you folks think, by any chance, that a thread discussing a DSF release, posted 3-4 days prior to the release date, would be safe? Would it be drama free? Would it stay calm and focused on discussion of the pins? I really would like to be able to be involved in a discussion of the pins being released, how much we like or hate them, if the edition size is going to effect trade-ablity. If the pins appear low quality or high quality... Etc... Pin related stuff.

Should we have rules about this sort of thread? perhaps::

• no "hype" comments
• no "surprise pin speculation"

Calm discussion of this concern is appreciated. Do you think this forum and its members are capable of calm well thought out non-hype discussion of pins soon to be released? We can do it with other pins, other releases, why not with DSF pins too?

Again:: Please be sure to read all of the above OP, and all of the replies before replying so that the discussion stays cohesive and on track.

It goes without saying, but will be said anyway: Personal attacks will not be tolerated. I am completely aware that the MODs will be watching this thread closely and shut it down if we don't ALL behave with decorum and politeness.

Psychotically small print: This thread may or may not be moved to anything goes, but the OP thought it pertained to pin discussion, and thus put it in discussion. The OP does not think it belongs in anything goes, but understands if the mods think that is where it belongs. The OP is not responsible for the opinions, idea's, and thoughts, expressed in the replies that will occur below. The OP will attempt to follow the thread and make comments when needed, but feels her opinion was fairly well stated. The OP is NOT sitting at her computer desk with popcorn, as apparently that can be construed as anticipation of riot. The OP is not attempting to incite a riot either. The OP loves the pin community and would never do anything to harm it, however the OP is Krazie, in that super odd psychotic but fun sort of way. And thus cannot be held responsible for any riots that may occur due to her post. The OP ended up reading and editing this post 5x before being satisfied and clicking the "submit new thread" button. :facepalm:

I don't think there can be a "drama free guarantee" on anything on this forum... there could be a little less instigating and a little more ignoring though! Personally, i would like to see some pre-sale rules.

Well I think the word "hype" is subjective. Some might say it's hyping if you say the word DSF others might say if there's updates then it's hype. I believe DSF is out of our control now. The releases are hyped even when few to no people discuss them. I think now it's more on how to cope with that truth.

f_gis said:

If everyone on this forum was guaranteed 2 of said pins released at DSF, we can definitely hold a calm, rational discussion about it.

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True.

I think because of the current resale values of DSF pins that even members here are guilty of doing (no judgement since I am selling pins from my collection) we cannot hold a rational discussion if the pin release contains a princess.

To keep it civilized I think you would also need thread rules prohibiting any mention of re-sellers or the ethics of trading/selling pins at or near cost vs. market value ...probably DSF line policies too. Those topics have been explored to death anyway, and they don't really add anything to discussions about particular releases.

I think any censored discussions of pins on a pin forum is uncalled for. If it's TRUE and about pins, then it should be allowed to be discussed in a civilized way. Those that can't be civil should be removed from the discussion...NOT the discussion being removed.

Yeah good lock there will always be that one person that messes it up for everyone that's why we have rules LOL.

imp said:

To keep it civilized I think you would also need thread rules prohibiting any mention of re-sellers or the ethics of trading/selling pins at or near cost vs. market value ...probably DSF line policies too. Those topics have been explored to death anyway, and they don't really add anything to discussions about particular releases.

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I agree with this. I think the discussion should be totally pin related. Not about lines, campout predictions, re-sale values, or DSF policy.

dis22 said:

I think any censored discussions of pins on a pin forum is uncalled for. If it's TRUE and about pins, then it should be allowed to be discussed in a civilized way. Those that can't be civil should be removed from the discussion...NOT the discussion being removed.

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Part of why i felt the need to post this topic. Should there be a ban on the topic of DSF releases? I think not. I am glad to see i am not the only one. And i totally agreee, those who post riot inciting comments should be removed, not the whole topic.

imp said:

To keep it civilized I think you would also need thread rules prohibiting any mention of re-sellers or the ethics of trading/selling pins at or near cost vs. market value ...probably DSF line policies too. Those topics have been explored to death anyway, and they don't really add anything to discussions about particular releases.

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Ok, all of this!

nblaughs said:

there could be a little less instigating and a little more ignoring though!

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this. +20,000

dis22 said:

I think any censored discussions of pins on a pin forum is uncalled for. If it's TRUE and about pins, then it should be allowed to be discussed in a civilized way. Those that can't be civil should be removed from the discussion...NOT the discussion being removed.

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I agree that DPF should allow any type of discussion as long as it remains civilized, but the OP of a thread is also entitled to set ground rules and close the thread if they aren't followed. That allows the OP to start a discussion without worrying that it will blow up and be shut down by a mod. Unfortunately, we haven't always proven ourselves to be all that civilized when certain topics are up for discussion.

I would not say that the discussions have entirely stopped, they are there.

I think I saw 2 threads where the upcoming DSF Rapunzel pin was discussed and both threads were fairly civil, and even fun where each of us pointed out how horrible the pin was. Granted, it was not about the release, but the pin - which is more appropriate.

I have also seen a post about June DSF release, and I did not notice any bans. I have seen a "live from Hollywood" post for Aice Train release (I believe). Again, no bans or restrictions.

All the above mentioned threads were civil, and nothing was banned. I think it is not about the discussion topic, but more about the way any discussion goes. Cicada always said "Behave like children, and you get treated like children" and hence the bans.

Their home, their rules

imp said:

To keep it civilized I think you would also need thread rules prohibiting any mention of re-sellers or the ethics of trading/selling pins at or near cost vs. market value ...probably DSF line policies too. Those topics have been explored to death anyway, and they don't really add anything to discussions about particular releases.

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Ha ha ... very well said.

This is such a non-issue for me. No matter who says what, or how someone interprets it, there is always going to be someone else that is unhappy. And then, if this unhappy person complains loud and often enough, that thread will be reviewed and possibly closed. We already know that almost EVERY release from DSF has the potential to blowup and create drama. I just ignore it and make a note to myself to ignore future posts by these individuals. However it is human nature to get excited about a pin and so many people hit the "post" button before reading what they've written...and you know what? Don't take it seriously. They are just pins and no piece of metal is going to save your life. Dome posts may be annoying but it's better to be understanding of others and then ignore others who are here to make a buck.

I do agree that censored discussions of pins is uncalled for; this isn't the first thread to ponder the complexities of pin releases and forum rules and it won't be the last.

We should be like :hug:

While a few are like :hsd:

Some get more like :anxious:

Which brings out a few :shock:

But after a few minutes of :drool:

Someone will oke:

Which brings out :rant:

Follwed closely behind by

We have many of these :angel: (haha never used that one...lol)

But with a couple more of these

Many people then begin to :banghead:

This happens while others continue to :cry:

Until one or more go ahead and :soapbox:

This turns into a constant :lurk:

Eventually someone :nono:

Then we all need to :bowdown:

But that eventually leaves us :dunno:

Or some become like the OP :crazy:

Goofy_Moe said:

Or some become like the OP :crazy:

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:hug: i luv you Moe.

Goofy_Moe said:

We should be like :hug:

While a few are like :hsd:

Some get more like :anxious:

Which brings out a few :shock:

But after a few minutes of :drool:

Someone will oke:

Which brings out :rant:

Follwed closely behind by

We have many of these :angel: (haha never used that one...lol)

But with a couple more of these

Many people then begin to :banghead:

This happens while others continue to :cry:

Until one or more go ahead and :soapbox:

This turns into a constant :lurk:

Eventually someone :nono:

Then we all need to :bowdown:

But that eventually leaves us :dunno:

Or some become like the OP :crazy:

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:bowdown:

Lucan444, the pin trader here,I know Im not around much,,,, been poolside with a Corona, what can I say being Evil pays well and the hours are easy...

Now tho the topic, Can we,

Yes we can,

will we?

maybe?

We have a host of knowledgable people here, and a large number of eager starters, willing and capable of becoming PINTHusiast with the best of us, we also have the societal norm of folks whom either like to or benefit from drama,
Maybe they dont TNT on thier local cable and are drama deprived, or they dont get enough with OAAT, they seem to crave more,,,,why? who knows...


Can we yes of course, will it need to be kept track of ,U_BET, cuz all our members are human and most aint afraid to voice thier opinions<notice the pin in the middle, nice touch huh?>

The better question to me seems to be........Can we afford to keep not doing it?

My rambly thoughts...

I've never really understood why people assume that discussing pin releases or pin auctions or pin speculation here on DPF would have any serious effect on the resale prices or the number of people bidding or buying. I just really don't believe a forum has that kind of power. Anyone who's unscrupulous already knows what's popular and what isn't; all they have to do is look at trades/wants on pinpics. Everybody knows that anything Tangled is popular; everybody knows that Fab 5 aren't so much. I doubt that the sharky types of resellers are even bothering to scroll through hundreds of DPF threads just to confirm what they can easily figure out anyway. Prices are driven by what people actually pay, not by hypothetical discussion. I think our discussion threads here have a negligible effect, if at all.

As to whether we can have calm threads without drama... I think the infraction system is probably going to do okay with that. There will always be someone(s) who get rude or dramaful, because we're a group of humans, which means we have all types. But we also have enough people who value community that I believe the rude folks are in the minority.

So I don't think we need any additional rules at all, because we already have rules about how to treat each other. I think we should post threads about whatever we want to, whenever we want to, as long as we're treating each other with respect. When someone doesn't, we can ignore them and report them to the mods, and go on our merry pin-trading ways.

I've suggested this before, but it would be nice if the mods had the ability to ban a member from a specific thread. This would allow discussion on any topic. If someone is 'bombing' or otherwise taking the thread in a nasty direction, the mods could ban that member from posting in that thread, even if it was just for 12 or 24 hours to make him/her cool off before posting.

:coffee: yehhhhhhh um i have no idea what any abbreviations are.

Im in Nj so iwont be a DSF. I do miss the days, not so long ago where i had friends grab me a set from there. oh well. I certainly agree with Vixy 100%. This forum has NADA to do with the DSF. Disney making nice LE pins unavailable to the masses via internet ordering or stores is the problem. Aparently they dont care, so neither do I--bye bye DSF pins:wavey:

Lucann you have lost your edge.....poolside with pissy beer and a puppy--how vilainous of you.

imp said:

I've suggested this before, but it would be nice if the mods had the ability to ban a member from a specific thread. This would allow discussion on any topic. If someone is 'bombing' or otherwise taking the thread in a nasty direction, the mods could ban that member from posting in that thread, even if it was just for 12 or 24 hours to make him/her cool off before posting.

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This is an excellent idea.

Goofy_Moe said:

We should be like :hug:

While a few are like :hsd:

Some get more like :anxious:

Which brings out a few :shock:

But after a few minutes of :drool:

Someone will oke:

Which brings out :rant:

Follwed closely behind by

We have many of these :angel: (haha never used that one...lol)

But with a couple more of these

Many people then begin to :banghead:

This happens while others continue to :cry:

Until one or more go ahead and :soapbox:

This turns into a constant :lurk:

Eventually someone :nono:

Then we all need to :bowdown:

But that eventually leaves us :dunno:

Or some become like the OP :crazy:

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Literally the best summary of anything I have ever witnessed ever.

tyleet87 said:

True.

I think because of the current resale values of DSF pins that even members here are guilty of doing (no judgement since I am selling pins from my collection) we cannot hold a rational discussion if the pin release contains a princess.

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So true! Look at what happened yesterday when Moe posted the OBVIOUSLY photoshopped picture of Maximus with an ice cream cone (which was totally awesome, btw) in the PTD thread. People went a little crazy and started calling the Soda Fountain to confirm. I'm not criticizing anyone, I love the passion and dedication of the Tangled collectors. But, I would seriously doubt if we could calmly discuss the release of a Brave BT or another highly anticipated princess pin.

This is just my 2 cents and some may disagree, LOL...

I think a lot of pin traders come to this forum to get the inside scoop on upcoming releases. They want to know what to expect and the probability of acquiring a pin that they greatly desire.

As with any passion, people get emotional when they feel mocked, attacked, confused, or simply misunderstood when "discussing" it.

As previously mentioned, we are all human beings, so these emotions are inevitable. I know that a lot of us have lives away from pins where we are calm, level-headed, and difficult to provoke.

While this is a community of people with a similar passion, it should be understood that when it comes to other human beings (not just usernames with pictures/avatars), we should be respectful. We all have names, and we all have unique personalities.

From what I've seen in my two shorts months on this forum, this is firstly a culture of "support" and "nurturing". It is a real pleasure being a part of it.

Just like some people refer to "grails" as pieces of metal, some hold them in equal regard to a family heirloom dating back centuries. We all place different values on our collections and passions, so we can't expect everyone to always feel the same way about it.

In terms of hype, yes, that is the biggest trigger of the negative drama in the threads. It feeds on people's hopes, fears, dreams, and even some people's desire to watch other people panic (and pull out the popcorn to watch the show). Some people like to joke to ease the tension, and that can be easily misunderstood.

I don't think there are any quick-and-easy solutions, but perhaps a Sticky or "Announcement" that can remain at the top of the forum can be created to explain the specific expectations of not "hyping" or "speculating" in the Pin Discussion threads. It seems clear to the majority of the community that certain things are forbidden (like ebay links).

Maybe the mods can create a specific forum for "Hypes/Speculations", so that people can get it out of their system and everyone will take it for what it is… worthless.

A huge part of life is drama, and that's what can make this hobby equally frustrating and thrilling. I wouldn't want people to completely ignore that an upcoming release is only days away. As long as the rules are clear and the community agrees to do our best to abide by them, I think we can do it.