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Beginner Traders

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Beginner Traders
thats so cool...i wish i could print that on a shirt....i would for sure wear that at dlr... it would get lots of looks.... i would walk right by the shark ponds (tables)....and b like...hey...hows it going to day....lol
 
I like Liana's idea Laz. There needs to be a "pin scout" badge that people can put in their signatures. I was a Girl Scout too!
 
caffinecupcake said:
This is what has always worked for me since I was a wee little girl and it is amazing how well it works in the world as an adult:

The Girl Scout Law
I will do my best to be
honest and fair,
friendly and helpful,
considerate and caring,
courageous and strong, and
responsible for what I say and do,
and to
respect myself and others,
respect authority,
use resources wisely,
make the world a better place, and
be a sister to every Girl Scout.

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I just substituted pin traders for girl scouts and it works great for me. If we know who the bad guys are, we need to ignore them. We must educate the newbies to be careful and thoughtful in their trades. I agree with everything that was said here and I was new once too. But there are way more good guys in my world than bad and I truly believe in pin karma.
 
TopherATL said:
As a new trader thanks for this thread!

I have reached out to try and complet some sets and have goten some (what I believe at least) outrages counter trade offers. It has made me just stop looking for trades and be content and buying and trading the 1 time a year I get to WDW.

Love the forums and keep looking out to the new guys like me!
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I too had this when I started, a lot of crazy offers just cause I was a newbie.
When I started I had a few people take advantage and It put me off trading for a while too.
 
Roxane said:
It's not only the new people being sharked. I think some people will only trade if the trade is way better for them. I sent out a trade request for an open edition pin with 20 trading and 26 wanting and one person replied wanting me to trade the new LE Classic D Haunted Mansion pin instead. I had offered an LE cast member pin in the original trade. Grrrr....
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It is sad but true. It does not happen only to newbies. This offer I just received from an veteran trader.

XXXXX offers Blacksmoke this pin: Pin 84813 (WDW - Classic 'D' Collection - The Haunted Mansion® Attraction)
for Pin 43016 (WDW - Piece of Disney History 2005 (Spaceship Earth))

The old piece of history pins are peoples holy grails. This one 19 trading to 216 wanting.

It would be terrible if a newbie was taken advantage of in an offer like this.

I also agree with one of the others member's comments about rudeness being unacceptable. We all want to enjoy collecting. There are many very nice pin friends on this forum so please get to know some as Katherine said and they can help you out. I have helped Katherine and many other people on here and visa versa. That is what a community is about! If I can help anyone out let me know.

Joni
 
TY for the reposting of the Shark Diagram :) Love it!!!

I totally agree and thank you for starting this post. When I first started a bit over a year ago, I had NO IDEA what I was doing! I am sure I sent out some pretty crazy trade requests, as I had no clue about "trade value." I ended up with a few people taking advantage of that, but I learned from it. The feeling of getting the bum pin/pins in return drove me to educate myself further on "understanding" pin trading.

With that said, newbies... PLEASE utilize the members of the DPF board for information!!! Ask opinions on fair trades. People are definately willing to give your there opinion, lol, who isn't hehehe. But seriously, there is a TON of knowledge within this DPF community, take advantage of what is available to you.

Side note ~ thanks to all of the vetern traders that have helped me out along the way with advice!!! :) Appreciate it!
 
Very well said niknaxx! DPF can help you with any trade advice, just ask! And just in case, ask a few different people to get a better idea of if the trade is fair or not, and I can only speak for myself here when I say not only new people need advice sometimes.

Thanks everyone for this, I think we can truly make a difference here! :)
 
This is the exact reason why me and my girlfriend, and I know some other traders at DLR, have a kid or beginner board full of pins so that they don't get ripped off and feel comfortable trading with non-CM's.

I hate seeing people getting ripped off, and I hate seeing traders having people buy them another pin at the stores for something they like. That's practically the same as having them give you money.
 
This happened to me when I first joined . I got a Tinkerbell rack pin and sent him a Tinkerbell Japan pin new in box . His feedback was Blown Away ! Now I know why . Afterwards, I found out the pin was worth much more than an open edition . I now know a little bit more due to this forum .
 
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calveezzzy said:
I hate seeing people getting ripped off, and I hate seeing traders having people buy them another pin at the stores for something they like. That's practically the same as having them give you money.
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I would like to point out that sometimes this happens, as it has happened to me, where this is not a normal method of trading that a particular pin trader really participates in, but circumstances arise & this takes place.

I have had people with literally NO PINS (not no pins I want, but no pins AT ALL) walk up to my table & see a pin or two I have for trade that really suits their fancy.
They are usually just a nice tourist couple who are looking for souveneirs & don't find anything currently in stores that fit them perfectly the way the pins I have for trade do.
I hate hate doing this personally, as I really am bad at valuing pins, & know that park pricing on pins has really jumped in the last few years,
But there have been those few times that those people REALLY want that pin & so I go in there, choose a few options & let them choose what they think is fair.
All in all, in my experience, those people always walk away happy as clams!


I think at times that those people going into the store to have others buy them pins are not trying to rip anybody off.
Is it technically the same as money? Yeah.
But aren't pins in general?
Many people use current running prices from Auction Sites to value pins & in their trading tactics. The world revolves around money, even the pin world sometimes.

** Please note, that this is not me excusing those who see someone with all Hidden Mickeys walk up & they want a Hidden Mickey from a pin trader's book & the pin trader asks the person to go in & buy them an LE pin, as well as it is in no way me condeming these people, as in all reality, everyone has a right to trade the way they want to.
IT IS JUST MY 2 CENTS **
 
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I have had that happen with the pin sharks where I needed one hidden mickey to complete a set and was asdked to go in the store and buy an LE . I don't know a lot about pin trading, but I knew that was a complete rip off . I :lol: and said No Thank You, if I'm buying an LE pin, its for me .
 
Mad_For_Alice said:
I would like to point out that sometimes this happens, as it has happened to me, where this is not a normal method of trading that a particular pin trader really participates in, but circumstances arise & this takes place.

I have had people with literally NO PINS (not no pins I want, but no pins AT ALL) walk up to my table & see a pin or two I have for trade that really suits their fancy.
They are usually just a nice tourist couple who are looking for souveneirs & don't find anything currently in stores that fit them perfectly the way the pins I have for trade do.
I hate hate doing this personally, as I really am bad at valuing pins, & know that park pricing on pins has really jumped in the last few years,
But there have been those few times that those people REALLY want that pin & so I go in there, chose a few options & let them chose what they think is fair.
All in all, in my experience, those people always walk away happy as clams!


I think at times that those people going into the store to have others buy them pins are not trying to rip anybody off.
Is it technically the same as money? Yeah.
But aren't pins in general?
Many people use current running prices from Auction Sites to value pins & in their trading tactics. The world revolves around money, even the pin world sometimes.

** Please note, that this is not me excusing those who see someone with all Hidden Mickeys walk up & they want a Hidden Mickey from a pin trader's book & the pin trader asks the person to go in & buy them an LE pin, as well as it is in no way me condeming these people, as in all reality, everyone has a right to trade the way they want to.
IT IS JUST MY 2 CENTS **
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I totally agree with you, and maybe shouldn't have been too general in my statement. If someone has NEVER traded before, I guess I wouldn't see a problem with them buying me a random less than $10 rack pin for some other rack pin in my book or an LE for an LE.

I just hate seeing newbies getting ripped off when a shark asks for an LE like a Classic D or Film Cell for a few rack pins or a couple hidden mickeys.
 
Sharks

Its not just newbies being targeted by this type of trading. I frequently get lopsided offers. This week I sent out a trade request for a 6 euro DLP open edition pin. One lady declined my offer but stated that she would be happy to consider further offers as long as they consisted of one limited edition pin or two open edition pins for her one. I respectfully told her I felt it was lopsided.

It seems nowadays that many people are only willing to trade if they are getting the better deal. Its a shame because its killing trading!
 
... I get those emails alot, maybe I should report them kinda clean up the pin trading, Sheriff Grump,lol... In the end it is up to deside if its fair or not, Why would I ask any of you guys if a trade is fair? No one here knows me personally, met me in person, only know of me. That means nothing, just saying a newbie wont know who to trust that he/she might be dealing with another shark & wouldn't know it "Unless you make a list"! HA! knew that would nip this in the but. It takes time, trial & error to learn to do this not another traders opinion. Sorry but it's true. I would never ask here or anywhere other than my wife of her or his opinion of a trade cause the bottom line is, it's up to me weather or not it feels right.
 
Grumpy74 said:
... I get those emails alot, maybe I should report them kinda clean up the pin trading, Sheriff Grump,lol... In the end it is up to deside if its fair or not, Why would I ask any of you guys if a trade is fair? No one here knows me personally, met me in person, only know of me. That means nothing, just saying a newbie wont know who to trust that he/she might be dealing with another shark & wouldn't know it "Unless you make a list"! HA! knew that would nip this in the but. It takes time, trial & error to learn to do this not another traders opinion. Sorry but it's true. I would never ask here or anywhere other than my wife of her or his opinion of a trade cause the bottom line is, it's up to me weather or not it feels right.
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This thread is only meant to let newbies know if they need help or have questions about a trade offer that they should feel free to ask other members for help. Believe it or not there are people out there looking to take advantage of newbies. You just seem so confident in your skills, so good for you! No need to bash others who might seek assistance.
 
Grumpy74 said:
... I get those emails alot, maybe I should report them kinda clean up the pin trading, Sheriff Grump,lol... In the end it is up to deside if its fair or not, Why would I ask any of you guys if a trade is fair? No one here knows me personally, met me in person, only know of me. That means nothing, just saying a newbie wont know who to trust that he/she might be dealing with another shark & wouldn't know it "Unless you make a list"! HA! knew that would nip this in the but. It takes time, trial & error to learn to do this not another traders opinion. Sorry but it's true. I would never ask here or anywhere other than my wife of her or his opinion of a trade cause the bottom line is, it's up to me weather or not it feels right.
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Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. I'm no newbie, but sometimes I still ask my friends (both real life and online) for their opinions on certain trades. It helps to get some different opinions whilst weighing up a trade. I also think it's great if someone can come on here and ask for opinions. At the end of the day you have to make your own decisions, but there's nothing wrong with asking for advice and opinions whether you're new or you've been around a while!
 
anastasia said:
Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. I'm no newbie, but sometimes I still ask my friends (both real life and online) for their opinions on certain trades. It helps to get some different opinions whilst weighing up a trade. I also think it's great if someone can come on here and ask for opinions. At the end of the day you have to make your own decisions, but there's nothing wrong with asking for advice and opinions whether you're new or you've been around a while!
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totally agree, Ive asked a few of my friends/online friends a few times just to see if its fair even if I already think Im going to trade as it is my decision at the end of the day but I do sometimes have to wonder if Im making the right choice.
 
KT07 said:
thats so cool...i wish i could print that on a shirt....i would for sure wear that at dlr... it would get lots of looks.... i would walk right by the shark ponds (tables)....and b like...hey...hows it going to day....lol
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I would pay to see this, LOL.
 
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