Online Pin Trading Etiquette...Messaging Members for Sales with No Sales Post Posted?

[Vixy]

I agree with what seems to be the consensus here... it's okay if it's listed in traders, but not otherwise. And continuing to ask after receiving a no is pushy and rude.

 

[Hidden_Miki]

I've had someone do that and I wasn't very happy about it. They went through my collection and saw I have the rapunzel compact... They then had the nerve to say well they should have it. That they deserved it cause they were closer to finishing being a tangled completist before me. I was so shocked and offended, but it's hard for
me to be outright rude to someone so I just told them that if they had looked through my collection ( which is the only way to find out I even own the compact) they'd see I am also a tangled collector and that I didn't want to trade one of the hardest tangled pins and be even farther set back. Then I asked if they had messaged anyone else who owned the compact for theirs and they said no just me.

Wow some people just don't have any class or shame. I cannot believe they suggested that they deserved it more because they are closer to completing their collection its just so rude and distasteful.

I for one think its not right for people to ask to buy something out of your collection. Asking to buy traders fine but if the person says no they should not keep pestering that person over and over again. That's just me though.

 

[colorwindpainter]

Just imagine some of the PMs I get.

People who keep asking for the same pin, or ask if I would zap them, or make stupid statements get put on my "bad" list, and the chances of me doing anything for them is almost nil.

I don't even want to imagine... I swear the nerve of some people. How can a stranger feel its okay to ask for handouts.... That's just ughhhhh. Don't get it.

 

[colorwindpainter]

And this is why you are awesome, and fortune favors awesome, patient and good people. (I keep telling myself that, and it hasn't failed me yet!)

I've been thinking about this a lot, and I wonder if it comes down to an individual's sense of entitlement? In both your example and of Alex's, it seems like the individuals in question feel like they are ENTITLED to a pin or a set because of their contribution to the forum (in whatever capacity they measure it) or how much of a "fan" they deem themselves of the collection. It's a very subjective scale, and I know I get really irked when I hear people say that they "deserve" or "need" a pin because they have a million in their collection and are somehow more important than newer collectors... I don't think tenure in the hobby, money or status/"fame" make you more worthy of a pin than others. (Obligatory reminder that this is targeted at NO ONE IN PARTICULAR and that I think we can all think of a time when we've been guilty of gushing over and "needing" a pin -- I know I have!)

Man, this went really preachy and that wasn't really at all my intention... just my two cents, I guess. Okay, that's the end of my soapbox rant... :wavey:

Haha thanks. anyways talking about helping to get closer.... Do you or Hollie need the Ptn spinner that came out? I have extra, so if you guys need one for your collection let me know.

 

[Psycho Pixie]

wow...

asking over and over despite a no response is rude.

Implying (or outright claiming) that they deserve the pin more than you is INCREDIBLY rude. *whomever you are, you should be ashamed of yourself for such an attitude.*

Asking someone to zap you is impolite. *I wont say outright rude, and I do distinguish between those 2 things.* I get folks asking if they can be zapped in my zap mayhem occasionally, but it is usually either someone new who does not know the process, or someone joking about it. For instance on occasion I harass Darris in chat about still needing the pink centaurette. Do I expect him to zap me? Heck no, I say it as a joke. *and i hope he realizes that!*

 

[imp]

I agree with what others have already said. In a nutshell:

Asking if a pin in someone's traders is for sale - OK

Asking again when you've been told 'no' - not OK

Politely asking the person (once only) to keep you in mind if they decide to sell in the future - OK

Asking to buy a pin in someone's collection - not OK (unless a seller has indicated that such requests are welcome)

Saying or implying in any way that you are more deserving of a pin, want it more than other people, really really need a high-end pin at cost, want to be zapped, etc. etc. (whether in PM or open threads) - just plain tacky

 

[evil_queen]

If it is part of my collection, then why would I agree to sell it? That is not logical.

 

[Wholeo20]

I don't even want to imagine... I swear the nerve of some people. How can a stranger feel its okay to ask for handouts.... That's just ughhhhh. Don't get it.

+1

 

[PurpleRose]

I've had someone do that and I wasn't very happy about it. They went through my collection and saw I have the rapunzel compact... They then had the nerve to say well they should have it. That they deserved it cause they were closer to finishing being a tangled completist before me. I was so shocked and offended, but it's hard for
me to be outright rude to someone so I just told them that if they had looked through my collection ( which is the only way to find out I even own the compact) they'd see I am also a tangled collector and that I didn't want to trade one of the hardest tangled pins and be even farther set back. Then I asked if they had messaged anyone else who owned the compact for theirs and they said no just me.

Oh heck no! Seriously!?!?! What are people thinking when they do stuff like that? Apparently only of themselves. Wow, if that had happened to me, I probably would have told them off or something. Grrr, so rude!

 

[starry_solo]

Hmm, I will go against the consensus and say this.

Once is okay to ask to purchase items in collection or traders, especially if the person being asked to part with the item has been trying to sell in the past and/or has been vocal about having monetary issues. In either scenario, I would give a limit of the past three months because by the end of three months, one should hopefully have sold what they needed to sell and/or resolved their monetary issues.

Politely respond and say no (or don't respond at all).

That being said, we all know how much joy you had when you successfully purchased the Disney Fairytale Couples Designer Collection so it's strange that anyone would ask you to sell that. Yeesh.

 

[moorhunhe]

not everyone might be reading that thread about the fairytale couples, and thought "what the hell, asking can't hurt?"

 

[mickeymousje]

I've had someone do that and I wasn't very happy about it. They went through my collection and saw I have the rapunzel compact... They then had the nerve to say well they should have it. That they deserved it cause they were closer to finishing being a tangled completist before me. I was so shocked and offended, but it's hard for
me to be outright rude to someone so I just told them that if they had looked through my collection ( which is the only way to find out I even own the compact) they'd see I am also a tangled collector and that I didn't want to trade one of the hardest tangled pins and be even farther set back. Then I asked if they had messaged anyone else who owned the compact for theirs and they said no just me.

Wow that's just gross. I am always so happy if you or Hollie etc.. get a new Tangled pin for their collection and put them a step closer because I know how happy I am if I can add another pin to my collection.

Just imagine some of the PMs I get.

People who keep asking for the same pin, or ask if I would zap them, or make stupid statements get put on my "bad" list, and the chances of me doing anything for them is almost nil.

OMG that people even dare to ask you to zap them, wow just don't understand some people

To answer Alex's question, I never ask for a pin to trade or buy from someones collection. Those pins are keepers. I would ask if someone has it on their traders but if it's a no than it's okay and I move on no big deal

 

[kupo1121]

I agree with the majority and think asking ONCE is completely fine. I'll even admit it, yes, I have done this before. However, I think it is important to stick to rules. I will never ask someone to trade/sell a pin they acquired if:

1) It was/is in their signature (obviously they'd keep it if they wanted it that badly)
2) Is in a character/movie they collect (I get a sense of what people collect based off of their Collection on Pinpics to tell which movies they collect)
3) If they explicitly say they aren't for trade/sale

If none of those applies, then I PM them, it can't hurt and the last thing I want is to regret not asking them. A good example is when I first joined pin trading (maybe last November-ish) someone posted their "Collection" which consisted of one of my most wanted pins at the time. I assumed, since the thread said "Collection" that they weren't trading/selling it. A few months down the road I found out from a friend that they were open to selling it the whole time and they sold it to someone at DLR.

If you don't want anyone asking you to sell/trade it, REMAIN UNNAMED! Running around flaunting the pins (without saying they aren't for trade/sale) I feel is begging to get at least a few PM's :lol: (I'm not saying it's cocky, be proud of your acquired pins! You should be! But just expect a few PM's, it's only natural). You have to remember that when it comes to really big pins we all love, so many people want them, that what is the harm of just sending 1 PM (make sure it is just 1 pertaining to the purchase/trade) since you'll never know unless you ask.

That being said, some of the things brought up here are ridiculous (I can't tell if they're ridiculous in a funny way or not).

- Saying you're more deserving of a pin?!??!
Who made you the pin judge that governs who deserves a pin more...

- Saying you want to be zapped (given you aren't new and know how things work)???
I just don't even...what?!?!?!??

 

[ElysionsPrincess]

If you don't want anyone asking you to sell/trade it, REMAIN UNNAMED! Running around flaunting the pins (without saying they aren't for trade/sale) I feel is begging to get at least a few PM's :lol: (I'm not saying it's cocky, be proud of your acquired pins! You should be! But just expect a few PM's, it's only natural). You have to remember that when it comes to really big pins we all love, so many people want them, that what is the harm of just sending 1 PM (make sure it is just 1 pertaining to the purchase/trade) since you'll never know unless you ask.

I disagree with this statement. In the case of the Designer Couples, the only reason I was posting was because well...no one else was. I wanted to get the information out there that yes, pins were able to be purchased from the DisneyStore.com website. After some time, more people came out and said they got some too, but to start, I think I was the only one. I was simply answering the question. I found it frustrating that I received messages, because I never once stated I would be selling or trading them. It was rather clear that I was excited about getting them for my collection.

I also think its a little presumptuous to assume that someone would be willing to get rid of something because it isn't one of their "main collections". They may be starting a new collection, the pin could have sentimental meaning, or maybe they just like the pin lol.

I really appreciate everyone's responses! Very interesting to see the different points of view!

 

[chroll]

I also think its a little presumptuous to assume that someone would be willing to get rid of something because it isn't one of their "main collections". They may be starting a new collection, the pin could have sentimental meaning, or maybe they just like the pin lol.

I really appreciate everyone's responses! Very interesting to see the different points of view!

I think thats because people tend to always assume that how they feel is how most, if not everyone, feels. so if they would be willing to sell stuff that isnt their main collection, they prolly figure other people are the same. I would say thats far from a safe assumption, but I think thats why people are outlandish sometimes!

 

[Merryweather]

I just realized that this thread surely needs few memes. Where is gis when you need him?

 

[kupo1121]

I disagree with this statement. In the case of the Designer Couples, the only reason I was posting was because well...no one else was. I wanted to get the information out there that yes, pins were able to be purchased from the DisneyStore.com website. After some time, more people came out and said they got some too, but to start, I think I was the only one. I was simply answering the question.

Which was great of you. I think it's fantastic you were answering the questions and letting people know that you got the pins (or you thought you did at the time since nobody was 100% sure) since you are right, everyone did not know who got them. I'm just saying that posting that kind of information, even if it is helping everyone, is bound to get a few people curious.

I found it frustrating that I received messages, because I never once stated I would be selling or trading them. It was rather clear that I was excited about getting them for my collection.

I did not actually know you were keeping them in your collection, honestly. Perhaps I skimmed some of your posts, but that didn't come across to me so I can't say I'm shocked it didn't come across to other's as well. Once again, it could have been me skimming the posts, but even so, I did not realize you had intentions of keeping the entire set ^_^

I also think its a little presumptuous to assume that someone would be willing to get rid of something because it isn't one of their "main collections". They may be starting a new collection, the pin could have sentimental meaning, or maybe they just like the pin lol.

I really appreciate everyone's responses! Very interesting to see the different points of view!

I'm not assuming that they'd get rid of it, but here's the thing to remember: What IF they didn't want it? Can you imagine the regret you would face if you found out someone was selling one of your most wanted pins but just because you assumed they weren't selling it you missed out on it? I mean, I understand how annoying it must be to get a ton of PM's (I'm assuming you got a ton :lol but think of it from the buyer's perspective. You can either send 1 nicely written PM (if it ain't written nicely, shame on them...really <_<) or risk potentially losing out on a pin of a lifetime (if it turns out the person with the pin was actually willing to let go of them)? I'm sorry, but I'd go with the former in all cases. It cannot hurt to ask, that's the basic gist of it.

Especially when it comes to a pin of the DFDC caliber, I cannot expect someone to put the pins on their Trades list for me to know they want to let it go, since as someone stated earlier, do you know how many trade requests they'd get if they did that? A lot. If I had the set (I only want Ariel and honestly have no interest in the rest) I still would not list any of the other 4 on my Trades purely because I don't want to be spammed by requests. So would it be wrong for someone to PM me asking me if I'd be willing to trade/sell the pin when, in reality, I would? I don't think so at all

I also think this is a very good topic, different points of view is always great, although, I think no matter the consensus, people will continue to send PM's, regardless of where the pin is listed >_<

 

[Cjvandever]

I agree with what others have already said. In a nutshell:

Asking if a pin in someone's traders is for sale - OK

Asking again when you've been told 'no' - not OK

Politely asking the person (once only) to keep you in mind if they decide to sell in the future - OK

Asking to buy a pin in someone's collection - not OK (unless a seller has indicated that such requests are welcome)

Saying or implying in any way that you are more deserving of a pin, want it more than other people, really really need a high-end pin at cost, want to be zapped, etc. etc. (whether in PM or open threads) - just plain tacky

Yep, this!

 

[Mischiefmanaged]

I always see it as "It never hurts to ask". Of course if you ask politely, you will get a polite response. Ask rudely, and I'll say no even if I was willing to sell it. There have been times that I've asked if someone was willing to sell a pin, and they ask what I would offer for it. And when I list my offer, it's more then they had expected and will take it.

I don't see why someone would find it offending. It just means you have cool pins.

 

[Merryweather]

 

[PatRin]

I don't mind if its in my traders - but I have had someone ask to trade for pins in my collection and for a few minutes I just kept staring at my screen to make sure I had read that right.

Collection means collection - if I want to trade it (or possibly sell it) I will put it in my traders.

 

[elaw]

Pin Pics spells it out pretty clear:

"Enter a member name to view their collection. This is NOT their tradables and wants (see below):
Username:"

 

[MotherKnowsBest]

Here are my 2bits worth...... cause I get this ALOT!!!!!!

1. NOTHING from my collection is for trade!
(if its not in my traders DON'T ask) there is ONLY 1 pin I would trade for out of my collection...... *shameless plug* if you have the Japan classic rapunzel please look through ALL of my pins

2. I will NEVER look through someones collection and ask for a pin....
I have had a few people TELL me to look through their collections before for "Grail" pin trades, i feel that this is the ONLY time this should be done (WITH PERMISSION)

3. No one NEEDS or DESERVES a pin more than someone else.....
we all have reasons that we collect the things we do, some of us have just found our love for pins while others have been at it a lot longer..... IT SHOULDN'T MATTER!!!

4. Treat people how you want to be treated......
Would YOU want someone going through your collection asking to trade pins you have worked so hard to get? there is a reason it is in the collection and NOT on the trades list



As you can probably see this is a subject that I am very passionate about..... sorry if this is a little... strongly worded....it is not meant to be mean it's just my thoughts.

 

[The Wise One]

Here are my 2bits worth...... cause I get this ALOT!!!!!!

1. NOTHING from my collection is for trade!
(if its not in my traders DON'T ask) there is ONLY 1 pin I would trade for out of my collection...... *shameless plug* if you have the Japan classic rapunzel please look through ALL of my pins

2. I will NEVER look through someones collection and ask for a pin....
I have had a few people TELL me to look through their collections before for "Grail" pin trades, i feel that this is the ONLY time this should be done (WITH PERMISSION)

3. No one NEEDS or DESERVES a pin more than someone else.....
we all have reasons that we collect the things we do, some of us have just found our love for pins while others have been at it a lot longer..... IT SHOULDN'T MATTER!!!

4. Treat people how you want to be treated......
Would YOU want someone going through your collection asking to trade pins you have worked so hard to get? there is a reason it is in the collection and NOT on the trades list



As you can probably see this is a subject that I am very passionate about..... sorry if this is a little... strongly worded....it is not meant to be mean it's just my thoughts.

This is exactly what I was going to post. I think the only time it is appropriate to ask about a pin in someone's collection is when they say to look through their collection when doing a grail like trade.


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[evlover0327]

I would never ask someone to sell me something from their collection, but I wouldn't be upset if someone asked me, as long as it wasn't more than once. I've got pins I want to keep forever, but if someone offered me an amazing amount for it or my grail of all grails, I'd seriously consider selling/trading it. I wouldn't put it in my trade list because I wouldn't give it up for just anything and I don't want to get offers for it, but there might be something I'd give it up for.

I guess that's the issue, you never know who might be willing to sell or trade from their collection.