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PIN & POP A Poll and Discussion: Pin and Pop Inspection Process, What Are Your Thoughts?

What is your tolerance for factory flaw(s)/blemishes on your pins?

  • no concerns: not selective when it comes to factory flaws & have never seen a flaw that bothered me.

  • some: if I see a factory flaw with naked eye & it is a major flaw, I will decline the trade.

  • more: if I see ANY (minor or major) factory flaw with naked eye, I will decline the trade.

  • most: don't accept any level of factory flaw incl ones found w/ special light & magnification.


Results are only viewable after voting.
PIN & POP A Poll and Discussion: Pin and Pop Inspection Process, What Are Your Thoughts?
Last TA, I put a link to a post of mine here in the "Problem Pins" thread, in the Condition Notes field. If you notice the post #xx on the upper right of your post, that is a link specifically to that post. You can right click and copy the URL and then paste it in the Condition Notes on P&P.
 
Not seeing mentioned:
  • The amount of time and resources pinandpop staff use to provide the minor flaw detection. (I think this one is huge for PnP's costs - their current payment for their time doesn't take this amount of inspection into consideration... so we all are having to pay more.)
  • Pinandpop points out things that could be called natural variations during the manufacturing process.
  • The normalization pinandpop lends to this level of flaw inspection with all pin traders. (This level of inspection is not normal... in my 10+ years of experience in this hobby.)
  • Each pin trader has to pay a token for the cancelled trade.
    • (Note: I have no issue with PnP getting paid for their time inspecting pins... whether a trade goes through or not PnP should be paid for their time.)
Sum total in the experience is Negative for Flawed pin owner:
1) the trader's pin is tied up for months waiting for inspection​
2) the trader is charged a token because of their trade partner's decision (could be a perfectionist pin trader, an opportunistic pin trader, or a newby not understanding blemishes, gets scared & cancels.)​
3) the trader receives back a pin of less value (ethics may state disclosure of blemish findings (blemishes the trader didn't notice and perhaps still cannot see with their naked eye upon return of the pin to them.))​

Another idea for fairness/balance: if the level of blemish inspection continues perhaps the trader who uses the blemish to back out of the trade pays PnP for both tokens (this would resolve #2 above).

Just throwing more for a great discussion. I am appreciating everyone's comments. Keep 'em coming.
 
To clarify/standardize the poll I added some wording to options 2 and 3 about seeing with naked eye and using minor/major in a way that is more consistent. Votes may be changed if the clarifications change how you want to respond to the poll above.
 
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